leverancier Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Are you willing to browse trough the entire "display case" of 1 year? You'll be done by next year Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SBARC Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Are you willing to browse trough the entire "display case" of 1 year? You'll be done by next year A Peoples Choice Award is an excellent idea on paper. But the logistics seem a bit daunting. If there are an average of 4 gallery articles on the homepage each day.........and there are updates on Mon- Fri and 52 weeks in a year....you're talking about about 1,000 models. Now add in all the threads for models displayed on the forums and it gets to be quite a few models....which is good.....plenty of selection........but time wise it looks like a freakish amount. And for it to be a true peoples chioce award.......you would have to get each ARC member to agree to surf all 1,000 gallery articles and all the threads on the forums and then make their choice. People don't evensurf all the articles each day when there are only 4 articles on the homepage. Now let's assume you can load, look and close a webpage in 2 minutes.......that comes out to 2,000 minutes for the 1,000 gallery articles. That works out to 33 hr and 20 minutes. Now you also have to add to that all the threads in the forums...... Now you could start a thread inviting anyone that wants to participate to include their model from 2010 in the thread for the People's Choice Award. Then after a week everyone could vote on the Models in that thread......it would be quick and easy. Mind you.....the models in that thread would be "Judged" and the most appealling model would be chosen as the winner. I guarantee there would be quite a few members that wouldn't participate because they refuse to turn their relaxing hobby into a competitive event. So it wouldn't be a true peoples choice award for models from 2010.......it would just be a people's choice award for the models that were entered into the "People's Choice Contest" thread. One of the first Group Builds on ARC was an F-18 Group Build. Plenty of people entered and there was a winner picked from the finished entries. Some people got their nose out of joint because they put massive efforts into their model only to not win anything......and they clearly felt their model was the best. This left a bad taste in peoples mouths and it even spread into forum PM's and the chatroom. After that experience it was decided to have prizes that were randomly drawn for the models that entered a Group Build. Now I do understand a Group Build is vastly different from a People's Choice Award.....but you can sort of see how there could be negative issues that will mirror the negative otucome from that F-18 Group build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Henrik B Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I'm hearing all of you. And we hear you, loud and clear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iron Man Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 And we hear you, loud and clear. Oh good you found the font button as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Isaac Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Oh good you found the font button as well. :banana: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Too bad. An example of not a bad idea with good intentions, being blown away by a rush to judgment. You could attach a tool to gallery articles that said something like "Vote for me", that could be clicked on by logged in members (tracking the number of clicks), automatically entering the build into the annual "People's Choice" award. At the end of the year take the top let's say, 3, and put them to a vote in the forums. There's your winner. However the amount of bickering and disagreement of the ultimate chosen winner, interspersed with comments similar to "Why did this guy win? The seat belts are completely wrong?" or "You guys wouldn't know a good kit if it smacked you in the face", etc, etc. Thus creating endless posts needing constant review by the Mods, and then when they shut it down because every conceivable way you can call a person an "idiot", has been covered... they then have to start reading the "Unfair censorship" posts started 10 minutes later. You're right Steve... too much work... (tongue firmly in cheek) Larry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopfjaeger Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 i was under the impression modellers hid in dark caves and shunned away from the light/social networking/going outside. i was impressed when i found this forum...... now i just have to stop the mushrooms growing out of my belly button. a contest is a good idea but i think that like everyone says: A) catfighting bickering swearing and just general "pain in the arseness" could ensue. If you are going to do one tho i will be sure to watch with popcorn!!.... now i shall leave you gentlemen and ladies in peace... the sun is almost up and my cave and my enginecycles are calling. no offence intended Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geedubelyer Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Ok, I've given this a bit of thought and would like to share an idea or two if I may? I agree that the "Best" tag might cause concern so perhaps "Favourite" could be used as an alternative. That would make these awards ARC FavMoty (Favourite Model of the year). For the inaugural event I'd suggest keeping it simple (or as simple as possible anyway) Using only a few categories intitially would cut out much of the administration side. To that end, I'd propose omitting non-aircraft models in this instance. That might be unpopular but we could save that for the ARC Armour crew when that website is launched. Other and additional categories could join the ranks at a later date if the idea gets off the ground. So let's say that we had Favourite Prop, Fav Helicopter, Fav Jet, Fav Airliner and Fave Spacecraft (real or sci-fi) Five categories to vote on leaving out scale at this early stage. In my minds eye I thought that the ARC members who wished to vote at the end of the year would be responsible for maintaining a record of their favourite builds as the year progresses. It's a simple task to add either a Display case thread or ARC Homepage article to a favourites folder to refer to later in the year. You could nominate one model in each category or just a single favourite model in its' particular category, the choice is entirely up to the individual. Now, if we start asking for nominations at the beginning of November, members who wish to nominate their favourite build(s) can add a response to a pinned thread for each category. It would probably be better to just add one build for each category but would mean the individual having to make their own mind up which they liked best of all. Yes it might be a tough choice but thems the breaks. The plan could be to close the voting at the end of November (or after a suitable timespan to allow everyone to make their nominations) at which time a short list of the top five most nominated builds in each category would be compiled. During December polls would be pinned for each category containing the list of most popular nominees and at the end of December there ought to be a visible pecking order to name the most favoured model in their respective categories. Each favourite model would get a "Favmoty" in it's own class and go on to the last stage. The last part of my not-so cunning plan is a final and deciding vote whereby the FavMoty is selected from the top scoring model in each category by the members of ARC. There are a number of reasons for suggesting awards in this format. For one, everyones' models can be included whether you are a member of ARC or not. If we gather the nominees from the Display Case and ARC Homepage then both members and some non-members will be elligable. Although ARC Homepage contributors won't always be able to vote they might make the finals with one of their models. Builds would n't necessarily be built for the awards so there's no pressure. Just build and show as you always have done and who knows, your model may well be in the line up at the end of the year. As for bickering and falling out well, that would happen no matter how things were done, it's human nature after all. However, this would n't be a contest! The choices would all be subjective and based on an individuals likes rather than whether seams are perfect and the model is accurate to drawings. If it looks good in the photos you see and you like it,.....nominate it! So, what d'ya think? Any merit to any of this.....? Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iron Man Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 The whole purpose of this idea was to unite us in a fun idea. By all means this was not meant to bring out such negative energy in people. I for one am not competive by any means but the idea just simply intrigued me and sounded fun. I do understand what Steve is talking about and I respect that. But when I read everyones negative reaction towards the idea, I felt like the hunting end of some headhunters. Now I have no hard feelings towards anyone and there comments and I still think this is the best web site around but when most of everyone answers in one word "NO" that just shocked me. We have no problem doing group builds so I see no difference in this idea. All the best and again no hard feelings I M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOLMES Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Ok, I've given this a bit of thought and would like to share an idea or two if I may?I agree that the "Best" tag might cause concern so perhaps "Favourite" could be used as an alternative. That would make these awards ARC FavMoty (Favourite Model of the year). For the inaugural event I'd suggest keeping it simple (or as simple as possible anyway) Using only a few categories intitially would cut out much of the administration side. To that end, I'd propose omitting non-aircraft models in this instance. That might be unpopular but we could save that for the ARC Armour crew when that website is launched. Other and additional categories could join the ranks at a later date if the idea gets off the ground. So let's say that we had Favourite Prop, Fav Helicopter, Fav Jet, Fav Airliner and Fave Spacecraft (real or sci-fi) Five categories to vote on leaving out scale at this early stage. In my minds eye I thought that the ARC members who wished to vote at the end of the year would be responsible for maintaining a record of their favourite builds as the year progresses. It's a simple task to add either a Display case thread or ARC Homepage article to a favourites folder to refer to later in the year. You could nominate one model in each category or just a single favourite model in its' particular category, the choice is entirely up to the individual. Now, if we start asking for nominations at the beginning of November, members who wish to nominate their favourite build(s) can add a response to a pinned thread for each category. It would probably be better to just add one build for each category but would mean the individual having to make their own mind up which they liked best of all. Yes it might be a tough choice but thems the breaks. The plan could be to close the voting at the end of November (or after a suitable timespan to allow everyone to make their nominations) at which time a short list of the top five most nominated builds in each category would be compiled. During December polls would be pinned for each category containing the list of most popular nominees and at the end of December there ought to be a visible pecking order to name the most favoured model in their respective categories. Each favourite model would get a "Favmoty" in it's own class and go on to the last stage. The last part of my not-so cunning plan is a final and deciding vote whereby the FavMoty is selected from the top scoring model in each category by the members of ARC. There are a number of reasons for suggesting awards in this format. For one, everyones' models can be included whether you are a member of ARC or not. If we gather the nominees from the Display Case and ARC Homepage then both members and some non-members will be elligable. Although ARC Homepage contributors won't always be able to vote they might make the finals with one of their models. Builds would n't necessarily be built for the awards so there's no pressure. Just build and show as you always have done and who knows, your model may well be in the line up at the end of the year. As for bickering and falling out well, that would happen no matter how things were done, it's human nature after all. However, this would n't be a contest! The choices would all be subjective and based on an individuals likes rather than whether seams are perfect and the model is accurate to drawings. If it looks good in the photos you see and you like it,.....nominate it! So, what d'ya think? Any merit to any of this.....? Cheers. :lol: :D I would be SO surpised that anyone would vote whichever way was decided, when some of the people on ARC cannot even be bothered to post anything on other peoples builds whether it is is in DISPLAY CABINET , or in WIP, TODAYS BIRDS,,but are quick to judge a simple idea ... I have MY tin hat on ..go for it ! :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) B) I would be SO surpised that anyone would vote whichever way was decided, when some of the people on ARC cannot even be bothered to post anything on other peoples builds whether it is is in DISPLAY CABINET , or in WIP, TODAYS BIRDS,,but are quick to judge a simple idea ... I have MY tin hat on ..go for it ! Christ, you can't get more than a hundred people out of 15,000 to click on a simple poll question! Sorry, I tried to leave it but once pointed out to me, I had to change it (pole - poll) Edited January 11, 2011 by Miccara Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOLMES Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Christ, you can't get more than a hundred people out of 15,000 to click on a simple pole question! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Larry fixed it ... -Gregg Edited January 11, 2011 by GreyGhost Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miccara Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) What about POLL questions ? <_< -Gregg Damn, I hate making stupid mistakes like that!!!! Thanks for pointing out my shortcomings... Jerk. Edited January 11, 2011 by Miccara Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOLMES Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) Damn, I hate making stupid mistakes like that!!!!Thanks for pointing out my shortcomings... Jerk. NAH you are not ..just slip of the ginger... <_< go back and edit it... Edited January 11, 2011 by HOLMES Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Damn, I hate making stupid mistakes like that!!!!Thanks for pointing out my shortcomings... Jerk. I said nothing about your 'shortcomings' ... As I wouldn't know, those are your own personal problems ... <_< -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Philp Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Not sure how this idea would work on a large site like ARC but I do run a similar idea over on Whatifmodelers that is now in it's 3rd year. True, it is mostly done in jest and I run it along the lines of the Oscars (and usually have the awards on Oscar night). Learned a lot the first year and found ways to make things easier. The second year ran fairly smoothly (ie, less hours for me). If interested, here are links to the last two awards ceremonies. Also, if you have any questions on how it is run, you can click here and see some of the other threads and/or PM/email me. 2008 Whiffies 2009 Whiffies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 This topic and the replies remind me of an old thread I started, My Favorite Threads! Add yours. (Don't bother using the thread as the links are all broken due to the forum being re-formatted) I wasn't even suggesting picking any 'winners' and people were still resistant to the idea. I still think my previous idea of just linking your favorite builds in one location is a good idea. Winners selected or not it gives people who may have missed those builds a chance to discover them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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