CyNaKyL Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hey Everyone Since Klear ( nz version of future) is no longer available in NZ I have been trying to find a suitable alternative. I have found a few similar products and looking at the msds sheets for them on paper they sound pretty similar so what I was wondering if there is someone around here who knows a fair bit about chemistry etc and could have a look at the msds sheets and tell me if they will be similar enough to work the same way or if there are some fundamental differences that may cause them to not be suitable. I could try them but unfortunately I can't afford to buy 5 or 10 litre bottles of product that may not do what I need it to. I have also linked the future msds for comparison. Future MSDS Premier floor polish 3M Floor polish Hopefully someone can shed some light onto this. - Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datahiker Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Can you get Liquitex products? The High Gloss Varnish might be worth looking at, but it says it can't be used over oils. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MHaz Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 This might help: The Complete Future Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CyNaKyL Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thanks for the replies people. datahiker - I've had a look around and it doesn't look like liquitex is available in NZ. MHaz - Yeah I have that page bookmarked but all the other versions of future aren't available here. After doing some more digging around it appears that pledge one go appears to work in much the same manner as future, not quite as effectively but to a satisfactory level. Looks like i'll be paying a visit to the supermarket on the way home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jester292 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 In my experience, gloss clear enamel and gloss clear acrylic work just as well. If you need something similar to future, look for something with ammonia (NH3). Ammonia is what helps future level out to a smooth finish. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PetarB Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 This might help: The Complete Future Love Swanny's page, however the information on the Australian version gives you the idea that it is very much like future. Our 'Pledge One Go' is yellowish and slightly cloudy in colour. I don't think it behaves like Future as sold in the US. I'm going to get ahold of some of the US version of the product to makes some more tests. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Kev Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Love Swanny's page, however the information on the Australian version gives you the idea that it is very much like future. Our 'Pledge One Go' is yellowish and slightly cloudy in colour. I don't think it behaves like Future as sold in the US. I'm going to get ahold of some of the US version of the product to makes some more tests. Quite right! I have a bottle of Johnson's Shine Magic (I've never seen Pledge One Go in Melbourne), and a bottle of actual Future, and they're nothing like each other. Shine Magic is watery, a cloudy milky white in colour, and stinks of ammonia. Future is clear and smells of green apples. However! I have to say that in practise I haven't been that impressed with Future in the end. It's better than Shine Magic, sure, but I think proper modelling gloss clears are superior to either. The main attraction (obsession in some cases!) with using floor polish as a substitute is cost. Any product available at the supermarket is going to be more cost-effective than anything available at the local hobby shop. Future isn't bad, but it's no miracle product. Kev Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.T.B. Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Can you get Liquitex products? The High Gloss Varnish might be worth looking at, but it says it can't be used over oils. Liquitex is at art shops in Aussie, but very expensive, they have to order it in.I use "pasqueo long life" from coles and get good results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Uncool Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Any product available at the supermarket is going to be more cost-effective than anything available at the local hobby shop. Future isn't bad, but it's no miracle product. At last! Someone's got the guts to say so; a statement with which I wholly concur, by the way! Leave the floor polish to yer wives to be obsessed with. Whut's with substitutin' specific hobby stuff for household products...? One day we will learn some wise guy came up with the crazy idea of replacin' oils by bloody shoe shine, 'n' so on 'til the hobby manufacturers finally give up on their work... Well done, Kevo Cheers, Unc² Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t.valdez Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Alclad is now selling what appears to be "Future, Klear, Johnsons clear,....etc." in a 100 ml bottle. Bet it will cost a bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Expat Tomcat Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I have always been a reluctant user of Future, mainly because I have seen what it can do to floors when it builds up and gets old. I understand the logic of using a clear acrylic resin as a barrier between paint layers or weathering layers. I also see the logic of using a dedicated modeling product because it was developed for a specific purpose. For me the issue has always been whether I could trust the product over the long run to remain stable and not yellow or crack in the ( pardon the pun) future. In artistic terms Future's archival qualities have yet to be determined. In other words how applying Future to your model will effect it's finish in 40, 50 or 100 years is yet unknown. I build in a slightly different manner than most people, I use multimedia and artists supplies in modeling applications in order to achieve subtle finishes and effects not possible with conventional modeling products. I'm not just talking about using pastel chalks and oil paints to weather with, there are many more art supplies that can crossover into the modeling realm. There is a certain amount of bastardization of these products to crossover to uses for which they were never intended. For instance, Prizmacolor makes a wonderful set of design markers used for creating multimedia color drawings, they come in a rainbow of colors and are quite versitile. I have used them to create semi-transparent colors on metal parts to simulate color anodized aluminum. Prizmacolor would not advocate my use of this product in such a manner but niether would they discourage it. Basically, if it works for ya then roll with it. Model paint manufacturers do make comparable products to Future but in order to replace it their product would have to not work out to $50 a gallon. This is a bit like paint thinners, a paint manufacturer may make a "specially formulated" product to thin their paint formula, but basically there's nothing new under the sun and their thinner is chemically based on one of a select few chemicals. They bottle it put their label on it and then charge you 10 times the bulk cost of a chemical you can buy at a hardware store for far cheaper and you get more. Let's be real here, model companies are in it to make a profit not to give us a bargain. There are a select few "crossover" products that we can buy that are adaptable to our hobby. When modeling manufacturers start putting out a comparable product that also has a comparable price, I'm sure we'll all be on board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichardL Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 There are plenty of good alternatives to Future. Three examples are shown below: All of which provide consistent, high gloss, durable finish in only one or two coats when thinned and sprayed through an airbrush. With Future, I can only achieve satisfactory results when applying at least three coats with a wide, soft brush. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CyNaKyL Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 I just happened to stumble over my own topic again and I think I have made some headway. I have found an art supply shop that sell liquitex products and was wondering which if the following would suit gloss/matt coats. Also has/does anyone use these products on a regular basis and can provide some insight into how good/bad they are and any techniques for using them. Liquitex Gloss Varnish Liquitex Matt Varnish Thanks. - Gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azza Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Hi Gary I am from Wellington NZ and found three bottles of Klear in a random four Sqaure only a few weeks ago. Maybe try some random little store/diarys etc out in the dusty suburbs.. you never now your luck! cheer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CyNaKyL Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 Azza, Yeah I've been checking every little dairy etc that I have been past to see if anyone has any but have had no luck so far. I will keep my eyes open however. On the other hand, my sister in law is going to the states in a couple of months and I've instructed her to get me 4-5 bottles of the proper stuff from there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 4-5 bottles of the proper stuff from there. FIVE BOTTLES!?!? How much Future do you use? Good heavens. One normal size bottle lasted me *years*. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastian Haff Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I agree with Big Kev and Uncle Uncool. I always use Tamiya TS-13 for gloss cotes. Future is great for canopies, however. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingSnowmew Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 There are plenty of good alternatives to Future. Three examples are shown below: All of which provide consistent, high gloss, durable finish in only one or two coats when thinned and sprayed through an airbrush. With Future, I can only achieve satisfactory results when applying at least three coats with a wide, soft brush. Which one do you prefer to use? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CyNaKyL Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 FIVE BOTTLES!?!? How much Future do you use? Good heavens. One normal size bottle lasted me *years*. :) They won't all be for me, my uncle also uses it on his models and a couple will be for him. Plus i'd rather have a couple of extra bottles in case I run out or anything else happens. In saying that if anyone uses the liquitex products i linked a few posts up and can provide some insight into how good they are I would rather use them since they are designed for use over paint. As much as I like the tamiya paint bombs they are expensive here ($15-20 NZD) and I can't really afford to buy a couple of spray cans every 1-2 models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastian Haff Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Which one do you prefer to use? I swear by Tamiya TS-13 and have been using it for over ten years. One or two coats is usualy enough. It is a lacquer, so you have to be careful. The only paint I've ever had it damage was a Gunze Acrylic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingSnowmew Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I swear by Tamiya TS-13 and have been using it for over ten years. One or two coats is usualy enough. It is a lacquer, so you have to be careful. The only paint I've ever had it damage was a Gunze Acrylic. I want to avoid using a lacquer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastian Haff Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I want to avoid using a lacquer. Have you ever tried Polly Scale Gloss Clear? It's an acrylic and usualy has a good result. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingSnowmew Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Have you ever tried Polly Scale Gloss Clear? It's an acrylic and usualy has a good result. Aaron Nothing but troubles with that. And they halted the production of PollyScale. I was wondering which of the three clear acrylics that RichardL preferred. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Pancake Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 I've looked around in Japan but I could never find Future either. Just want to get a bottle to compare it to the real modeling stuff. There are also a few more alternates if you have access to them: Mr. Super Clear (lacquer) Top Coat (acrylic) Mr. Color (lacquer, both of them. GX is more expensive) Tamyia clear (enamel) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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