I.Martin Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Hello guys,I have seen that Hasegawa is about to release a limited edition of the NASA 747 carrying the Space Shuttle at 1/200 scale and looks really nice.But I´d like to read your words before making any decision. Mmmm...first polished metal 747 looks better than the withe one... Thanks!! I.Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Mmmm...first polished metal 747 looks better than the withe one... Not necessarily. To me the white livery looks better because it's not a patchwork that's the result of a converted airframe with no time or money spent on paint. You can still make out the "American" titles on the side, as well as the rough work done to the modified sections, particularly around the orbiter attach struts. At least the later, white paint scheme has a cleaner look, and I really like the modern NASA logo on the tail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I like the white livery as well. I have fond memories of the first flight of Enterprise and the old pseudo-American livery, but the white does look much cleaner. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 To me, I grew up with the original 747 livery on the SCA and I saw it twice painted that way (both times when it passed through Kelly AFB taking Columbia and Challenger back from missions). I personally think when the bird was still fresh from its modification during the ALT days with Enterprise, it looked the best. By the early 1980s, it was starting to look a little dull in finish top-side. I liked the patchwork finish of the panels that were added for the shuttle struts as they gave it some nice splashes of color. When the plane got repainted in 1984-85, it lost some of its unique charm, but I do admit it looked better over the long term and I'll bet it was a lot easier to keep its coloring clean as a result of its new finish. Personally, I like both finishes enough to want to do both. But I would do the first finish with Enterprise on its back from the ALT tests as opposed to a ferry configuration. For the second one, I would do it with Endeavour or Atlantis painted in the current NASA meatball livery (perhaps as NASA 911 while the first plane would be NASA 905). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Antonov Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) DRAW Decal makes a good white and blue decal sheet for the 747 SCA. I haven't built the Hase 747, but I can say for sure that the Shuttle (I have it, modded into the Columbia, and it's in the paint shop right now) is a beautiful little kit. Edited February 9, 2011 by Antonov Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I.Martin Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thanks all for your words!!.Ok,now who can tell me about the kits?,detail level,panel lines and overall appearance... I found that info about the schemes "- Decal (Space Shuttle Orbiter): Discovery, Enterprise (gliding flight test aircraft), Columbia, Challenger, Atlantis, Endeavor (747 shuttle transport): NASA New Logo [N911NA] [N905NA], NASA old logo [905] (American Airlines colors yuan), NASA old logo [911] - Tadashi Arata plastic parts: B747 horizontal tail stabilizer on the shuttle attaches to the upper strut mounting body of Busutanozurukaba shuttle Enterprise Pitot Tube" Perhaps they´ll look better at 1/144 scale!! Thanks again I.Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony P Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 What's in the booooooxxxxxxx! http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10137192 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldHooker Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Mmmmm... gotta get me one of them!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
X-Plane Fan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Why stick with just the white scheme when there are so many different versions to choose from. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 The unpainted 911 is new to me. Are there any photos of the aircraft in that condition? Did it perform an orbiter ferry flight like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
X-Plane Fan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 That's how 911 looked when it made it's first test flight after having the SCA mods completed. It was painted white prior to delivery to NASA. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony P Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I have a question, is the grey underside "Boeing" grey? In relation to the new livery of course. Thanks Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I.Martin Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) I have a question, is the grey underside "Boeing" grey? In relation to the new livery of course.Thanks Tony Hello Tony,the underside grey,according to the instruction sheet,says that is the FS16440,the same as the Tomcat one!! I´ve already placed my preorder.I want to do the polished metal 905 but in all the pics,the shuttle shows that early scheme that I don´t like.Fortunately,I´ve found this other pic but must investigate more about it,I can´t read the Orbiter name and the 747 number. Thanks all!! I.Martin Edited February 13, 2011 by I.Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Fortunately,I´ve found this other pic but must investigate more about it,I can´t read the Orbiter name and the 747 number. That's 905 carrying Challenger. 911 never wore that American Airlines scheme (from whom NASA acquired the first SCA), and details on the orbiter make it out to be OV-099 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I.Martin Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 That's 905 carrying Challenger. 911 never wore that American Airlines scheme (from whom NASA acquired the first SCA), and details on the orbiter make it out to be OV-099 Yes,you´re right,what I wanted to say was if the 747 tail wears the Nasa letters inside the yellow stripe or the later red ones.I believe it´s the second option. And thank you for the Challenger name!! I.Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 My understanding is that 905 wore the NASA title in yellow stripe pre-ALT program, so for that photo it would be the red worm font. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 911 came from Japan Air Lines. She's a 747-SR46. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Wow, that sheet is PACKED with some cool stuff. I wasn't expecting it to have the yellow NASA tail bands. That means plenty of extras for use on other 747s. Looks like I may have to get a pair of these then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony P Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Yeah it looks like a nice little kit. Thanks for your help on the Shuttle Jay. I have been looking around at SCA pictures. It seems to have a different style of wing colour compared to other 747s. Although I know there can be some combinations. What I can see is that the underside of the wing is a darker grey to the fuselage colour. I was expecting to see corogard. Corogard appears on the top surface. Now is the top of the wing (not corogard) standard Boeing grey or the fuselage gray? Is the bottom wing colour the same as the corogard colour on top? (Hasegawa seems to think so and calls that out in the paint insts) Engine struts and nacelles are the fuselage colour. Horizontal stabs are white; top and bottom. Anything I have missed, got wrong? Here are some pictures? Thanks Tony Edited February 16, 2011 by Tony P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
X-Plane Fan Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 The underside of the wing is clearly a different shade of gray. Engine cowls and pylons match the underside of the fuselage. Tony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Hingtgen Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Corogard isn't THAT common on a 747 wing underside, especially on a -100/200. All-grey undersides are much more typical. Pretty much only a -400 is likely to have corogard underneath. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony P Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Thanks again Tony and thank you David. Edited February 20, 2011 by Tony P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I.Martin Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 Hello again!.I know it´s unusual to see the shuttle without the engines protection cone but found a couple of pics where the orbiter can be seen without it,probably during flight tests like this one capturing the release moment Is it possible to reproduce the scene with later orbiters? The Hasegawa kit is already available in asian online stores,mine should be leaving Japan,I´ll try to post a preview when it arrives. Thanks a lot! I.Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike J. Idacavage Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Hi I.Martin! The use of the tail cone is standard practice when transporting a shuttle on the SCA. I do not beleive that any shuttle was transported on either of the SCAs with the tail cone missing. The only reason that the Enterprise was flown on the 747 without the tail cone was for the Landing tests to reproduce the air flow patterns (flight handling characteristics) during the landing phase. A shuttle could be transported from point A to point B on the 747 without the tail cone in an emergency, but it is not practical. I do not recall ever seeing a photo of any shuttle mounted on a SCA in flight without the tailcone other the the initial ALT tests. Tony, Jay and some of the other shuttle experts in this group may have photos that prove otherwise. Have fun modeling! Mike Hello again!.I know it´s unusual to see the shuttle without the engines protection cone but found a couple of pics where the orbiter can be seen without it,probably during flight tests like this one capturing the release moment Is it possible to reproduce the scene with later orbiters? The Hasegawa kit is already available in asian online stores,mine should be leaving Japan,I´ll try to post a preview when it arrives. Thanks a lot! I.Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MiG31 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Is it possible to reproduce the scene with later orbiters? To my knowledge the tailcone is used more for aerodynamics, to reduce drag and buffeting. It was only absent for two of the five free-flight tests using Enterprise. This was done in order to gauge the orbiter's actual aerodynamic properties during the final approach and landing phase. Although I've never seen a photo of the other orbiters on a ferry flight sans tailcone, perhaps someone else has an answer? My guess would be no, only two carrier flights using OV-101 occurred without the cone. Edited February 20, 2011 by MiG31 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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