jcasilimas Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Hello guys I'm trying to reproduce a Sukhoi SU-15... any suggestions or tips are welcome I'll be using Trumpeter SU-15 Flagon-A, and Neomega cockpit C49 set... Cockpit: testing: comments are welcome!! (thanks Ken) Javier Edited February 11, 2011 by jcasilimas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Hello guysI'm trying to reproduce the Sukhoi SU-15 that shot down the Boeing 747 of KAL on September 1-1983.... This will be my first metal finish paint model... any suggestions or tips are welcome I'll be using Trumpeter SU-15 Flagon-A, Begemont decals Cy-15TM, and Neomega cockpit C49 set... comments are welcome!! Javier Javier, You are using the wrong version of the Flagon You have the early conical-nosed Su-15, the Flagon that shot down KAL 007 was a later Su-15TM, with an ogival radome - as shown in Begemots decal sheet and the correction drawings from Jennings. Sorry for the bad news.... Ken PS - It also isn't 'metal finished' (i.e. NMF) - it should be dull flat aluminium - they were painted with a protective coat of silver laquer - photos here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcasilimas Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Upsss well... I guess I'll do the standard A with original decals... Thanks Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JMan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I hate to say it but the Russians really goofed this plane up. I think its probably one of the ugliest Soviet fighter aircraft I have ever seen. It is a a timeless relic though, but still ugly. Jeremy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Javier,You are using the wrong version of the Flagon You have the early conical-nosed Su-15, the Flagon that shot down KAL 007 was a later Su-15TM, with an ogival radome - as shown in Begemots decal sheet and the correction drawings from Jennings. Sorry for the bad news.... Ken PS - It also isn't 'metal finished' (i.e. NMF) - it should be dull flat aluminium - they were painted with a protective coat of silver laquer - photos here. Not that familiar with the Trumpy kit, do they offer a later version as well? I though Murph or someone else did a build of a later version that came out very nice. BTW - Contrary to J-Man, I actually think the SU-15 is a pretty cool looking bird. Never thought I'd see a mainstream manufacturer release one in 1/48th scale. Javier - Nice job so far, the cockpit looks great. Edited February 12, 2011 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
POMPEO Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 nice job o pit, lookig orward cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Javier - Good start...looking forward to seeing this one as it progresses. Watch the join of the inset piece that fits around the cockpit area to join it to the fuselage. It's not the best fit to begin with, using a Neomega set makes it a very challenging area to blend in. Not that familiar with the Trumpy kit, do they offer a later version as well? 11bee - yes, Trumpeter does a Su-15TM as well. Not sure about Murph, but I built one up. Pics here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hoban Washburne Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Nice cockpit, mate. Particularly like the instrument panel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Everyone made mistakes - yes, in our decals shown that KAL 007 killer as Su-15TM, but it was incorrect - all says that (Ephim Gordon and Piotr Butowski book) and we repeat this information. But as sayd few years ago retired Gennadiy Osipovich - in 777-th FR in this time used two types of Su-15 - early baches and Su-15TM's. So in this "historical" flight lt. colonell Osipovich started on Su-15, not on Su-15TM. For this reason, his Su-15 in flight, after that Osipovich recieved command shut down of intruder, lagged behind from B-747 for 4 kilometrs distance - for possibility use R-98 missile, if it was Su-15TM Osipovich could used R-60 missiles from short range. So real Su-15 KAL-007 killer look like next: http://begemotdecals.ru/files/Su-15%20Boeing%20killer.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcasilimas Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Everyone made mistakes - yes, in our decals shown that KAL 007 killer as Su-15TM, but it was incorrect - all says that (Ephim Gordon and Piotr Butowski book) and we repeat this information.But as sayd few years ago retired Gennadiy Osipovich - in 777-th FR in this time used two types of Su-15 - early baches and Su-15TM's. So in this "historical" flight lt. colonell Osipovich started on Su-15, not on Su-15TM. For this reason, his Su-15 in flight, after that Osipovich recieved command shut down of intruder, lagged behind from B-747 for 4 kilometrs distance - for possibility use R-98 missile, if it was Su-15TM Osipovich could used R-60 missiles from short range. So real Su-15 KAL-007 killer look like next: http://begemotdecals.ru/files/Su-15%20Boeing%20killer.jpg Kotey That means that I can use the Flagon-A to do the "RED-17"? Hoban Thanks!! I didn't have a decal to fit the instruments, then I painted white, then black and after I scrape the paint...then Kristal clear... Waco Thanks for the tip, I'll tested before I fit it. Pompeo Thanks!! 11bee Thanks!! Javier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 KoteyThat means that I can use the Flagon-A to do the "RED-17"? Yes, as shown in picture in my link, armament - two diffrerent R-98 missiles on underwings hardpoints and two UPK-23-250 gun pods on underfiselage hardpoints. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Javier, My apologies for leading you astray. This is new information - I didn't know that Osipovich was flying a Su-15 - all the published info at the time said it was a Su-15TM. Thanks to Kotey for setting the record straight. Keep us appraised of progress... Regards Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Javier - Good start...looking forward to seeing this one as it progresses. Watch the join of the inset piece that fits around the cockpit area to join it to the fuselage. It's not the best fit to begin with, using a Neomega set makes it a very challenging area to blend in. 11bee - yes, Trumpeter does a Su-15TM as well. Not sure about Murph, but I built one up. Pics here. Waco - Sorry about that, all you ex-military pilots get me confused at times :) Very nice build on yours, it came out looking great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcasilimas Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) 11bee Thanks!! Flankerman Not a problem... I learned to review and do more research to be specific and avoid mistakes. kotey Thanks, that was good news!! that means I'm going to do the RED-17... Now, a "small" update: I close the body, but before I did hundred of rivets, and scribing boxes, lines etc... it's not all done yet, but is in progress.. Regards Javier Edited February 13, 2011 by jcasilimas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
POMPEO Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 nice progress Javier, is a really bigger boy, i want build one this in the future cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcasilimas Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 Thanks Pompeo, yes it's a little bit long... It's ready for a primer coat, cockpit was installed and the fit was good... ^_^ Comment are welcome! Javier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Great work so far, watching this one develop with interest. Excellent choice of subject as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcasilimas Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) Well, finally I have an update... Aluminum coat done with 4 different tones and ready for black: next, a futura coat and decals... Comments are welcome!! Javier Edited August 21, 2011 by jcasilimas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Sweet! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RRTRENT Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Javier, You are using the wrong version of the Flagon You have the early conical-nosed Su-15, the Flagon that shot down KAL 007 was a later Su-15TM, with an ogival radome - as shown in Begemots decal sheet and the correction drawings from Jennings. Sorry for the bad news.... Ken PS - It also isn't 'metal finished' (i.e. NMF) - it should be dull flat aluminium - they were painted with a protective coat of silver laquer - photos here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RRTRENT Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I hate to say it but the Russians really goofed this plane up. I think its probably one of the ugliest Soviet fighter aircraft I have ever seen. It is a a timeless relic though, but still ugly. Jeremy I view it as a beautiful killing machine.Pretty not required.Absolute Russian clarity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) Hello Ken, You said: It also isn't 'metal finished' (i.e. NMF) - it should be dull flat aluminium - they were painted with a protective coat of silver laquer Well, not exactly true. Please have a look at contemporary photos of Su-15 operations. The aircraft had a natural metal finish, all panels in original metal colour. It was covered with a clear laquer to protect the metal surface. In my files I have the exact Russian type of laquer used. The museum aircraft are over painted with "silver" paint year after year. Never go after what you see in a museum! Unless it is a photo or personal observation from a few decades back. In those times the aircraft in the Central Museum of Armed Forces in Moscow or the Monino collection were in original colours. Most of the aircraft (more valuable) were still in one of the hangars at Monino: MiG-25, 29, Yak-36, MiG-23, -21 and so on. They looked perfect, as if they just came from the flight line. The use of the clear laquer was standard (see original photos of anything from MiG-15 upwards to early MiG-21 bis), only after years of service and overhaul were tha aircraft overpainted with the same laquer but this time with 6 or 8 % of aluminium powder aded to it. The result was a dull aluminium (but glossy) and very uniform surface. The ejection seat in the Su-15 family was the KS-4 and not KS-3. Best regards Gabor P.s. I hope the Russian visit was OK. Edited August 21, 2011 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcasilimas Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) ya-gabor: Thanks for the info!! Edited August 22, 2011 by jcasilimas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Uncool Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 ...and the correction drawings from Jennings. :blink: Correction drawings from Jennings where, Kenny? here. Whoa... those are awesome piccies, Kenny! Many thanks, chap. I hate to say it but the Russians really goofed this plane up. I think its probably one of the ugliest Soviet fighter aircraft I have ever seen. Nay way, mista...!!! For the ugliest ever Russian birds go take a look at the Yak-38, the MiG-19 or the Su-7. That's ugly. :lol: Cheers now, Unc² P.S: So, which version of this bird was the one shootin' down KAL flight 007 again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jcasilimas Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 Uncle Cool: Everyone made mistakes - yes, in our decals shown that KAL 007 killer as Su-15TM, but it was incorrect - all says that (Ephim Gordon and Piotr Butowski book) and we repeat this information.But as sayd few years ago retired Gennadiy Osipovich - in 777-th FR in this time used two types of Su-15 - early baches and Su-15TM's. So in this "historical" flight lt. colonell Osipovich started on Su-15, not on Su-15TM. For this reason, his Su-15 in flight, after that Osipovich recieved command shut down of intruder, lagged behind from B-747 for 4 kilometrs distance - for possibility use R-98 missile, if it was Su-15TM Osipovich could used R-60 missiles from short range.So real Su-15 KAL-007 killer look like next:http://begemotdecals.ru/files/Su-15%20Boeing%20killer.jpg after a futura coat, I started with the decals: Soon more pictures... Comments are welcome!! Thanks Javier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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