Scooby Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 In the case of Egypt, I understand the military is the real power, and Mubarak could only remain in charge with their blessing. We were told the same about the Iraqi Army before Desert Storm. We were told they were the fifth largest army in the world with wwere very organized warriors. But in reality most of these militaries are rather comical and poorly diciplined and trained. They still need to be respected but they are not as well trained as many people think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I think the other Arab nations (like Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon) have their own problems to worry about. Maybe, but Egypt and Tunisia especially should be taking note since they both share a boarder with Libya. Anyway you still have the so called Big boys of Algeria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Syria and Kuwait. It would be in there own interest to intervene. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 How do those Matra pods work when they are fired? Do bits drop off them first? Frangible nosecones. Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
german Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) i think so, yes.... those decals look Ok for the two mirages... (the ecuatorian looks cool btw) As a side note... i've been reading the al jazeera live blog and there are rumors of a libyan navy vessel also defecting... if true, that will be a huge deal!!! Cheers German Edited February 22, 2011 by german Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T0M4ever Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What is likely to happen to defected machinery? Will it be kept until this situation is sorted out, and then given back to Libya? Sent to a museum? Or just scrapped? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 What is likely to happen to defected machinery? Will it be kept until this situation is sorted out, and then given back to Libya? Sent to a museum? Or just scrapped? Stuff is normally given back, but suspect in this case not untill things are sorted out. Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bonehammer73 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What is likely to happen to defected machinery? Will it be kept until this situation is sorted out, and then given back to Libya? Sent to a museum? Or just scrapped? It depends on the relationship between involved countries. In most cases short of actual, declared war, the airplane will be returned sooner or later. Typically, a transport plane from the defector(s)'s country will arrive with everything needed to fly the plane back home, including another crew. If there is no ground for seeking asylum or the other country gets threatening (example: Sweden and the Soviet Union at the end of WWII), then the crew will be repatriated as well, and face court martial. Famous examples are Belenko's MiG-25 which was returned to the Russian in crates - an alibi for the fact it had obviously been dismantled to the last diode and then put hastily back together? - and the Yak-23 of a Rumanian pilot which defected to Belgrad: it was transported to the US and test-flown at length before being returned to Romania by the Yugoslavians. Less famous are a Soviet YAk-9 pilot defecting to Switzerland (plane and pilot were returned to the Russians after the war). No Kim Sook's MiG-15, and the MiG-21 and MiG-23 that flew to Israel, were obviously retained. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rick in Maine Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 There are lots of a/c spotters in Malta. That's why we got such good pictures so quickly. I suspect the airport fences were/are lined with them. I wonder if we'll see more Libya-to-Malta flights. Rick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Those two Mirages probably just became the most photographed aircraft in the region ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pollie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I wonder if we'll see more Libya-to-Malta flights. I doubt it. Given the brutality displayed by the regime in the past few days, I think drastic measures have been taken. I fear for the lives of the loved ones of these two pilots...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnopfor Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What is likely to happen to defected machinery? Will it be kept until this situation is sorted out, and then given back to Libya? Sent to a museum? Or just scrapped? I'm sure that the equipment will be returned once Libya is stabilized. Libya and Malta have pretty good relations and some of the Maltese military's aircraft (Allouette IIIs) came from Libya. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony Stark Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 There is a report that a Su-22UM3K ditched off the coast near Ajdabiya; it's crew choosing to eject after they received orders to bomb civilians in Benghazi. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaronw Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 It is nice to see the refusal of the various middle east militaries to follow through with orders to attack protestors. With the individual Lybian defections I wonder how far off a full revolt of the military can be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muswp1 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 With more and more of his military refusing to follow orders, I was wondering the same thing. Probably the reason mercenaries are showing up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnopfor Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Khaddafi/Quadaffi/Whatever is offering $2000 per person for African mercs.....I'm sure that the best stock will show up....... Edited February 24, 2011 by Johnopfor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 There is a report that a Su-22UM3K ditched off the coast near Ajdabiya; it's crew choosing to eject after they received orders to bomb civilians in Benghazi. >>> Article <<< Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsty Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 There is a report that a Su-22UM3K ditched off the coast near Ajdabiya; it's crew choosing to eject after they received orders to bomb civilians in Benghazi. Rock the Casbah, anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Note the refueling probe installed on the Libyan Mig-27 in this Reuters photo: Edited February 24, 2011 by KursadA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paolo Maglio Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I think that Mig is out of service for a long time and used as dummy, it doesn't seat well on the tarmac, refuelling probe seems from Mirage F1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pollie Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Note the refueling probe installed on the Libyan Mig-27 in this Reuters photo: MiG-23BN Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Note the refueling probe installed on the Libyan Mig-27 in this Reuters photo: Wow, that is a new one for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) There were some Su-25's on SKY news tonight, they also looked like they had not flown for a few years. There were also pics of what appeared to be F.1's attacking civilian targets. Julien Edited February 24, 2011 by Julien (UK) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Libyan Mi-24 crew with their helicopter. apparently defected to the protesters' side. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=143...141754652554456 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 RSK MiG worked with iraq and libya in this modification, listing it as mig-23BN TZSh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyT Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Those defecting Mirages, seemed a waste to lug those rockets to Malta, far better to have took out the home bases runway reducing the air attacks or the Gaddafi residence with them before departing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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