niart17 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 UK politics.... How is this thread still here?Jamie I think you answered your own question. Because as the whole class knows, only U.S. politics can turn to flame wars. You know us un-civilzed silly Americans. Everything else is just a polite discussion amongst friends. It's like watching re-runs of the A-Team. Lots of gunplay but no-one really gets hurt. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Penguin Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I think you answered your own question. Because as the whole class knows, only U.S. politics can turn to flame wars. You know us un-civilzed silly Americans. Everything else is just a polite discussion amongst friends.It's like watching re-runs of the A-Team. Lots of gunplay but no-one really gets hurt. Bill Just seemed appropriate.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Camus272 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Not to split hairs but I don't believe that either of these aircraft could be considered true Gen 4.5 fighters. Especially the current version of the Typhoon. Everyone wants to root for the hometown product but you need to be objective as well. The AESA equipped Super Hornets offer the same level of capability (actually, they probably exceed the Tiffy and Rafale in a couple of areas) and no one refers to them as Gen 4.5. I've heard the Super Hornet referred to as 4.5 generation quite often. The Boeing website even calls them 5th generation. In everything I've read about the Typhoon, people seem to rave about its capability. After meeting the Typhoon Pilots at Nellis, it seems to be a pretty impressive, gen 4.5 seems to be fairly accurate. Brian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zerosystem Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 We'll just not send them a Christmas card. That'll show em.At least our guys don't need Red Cross logos to mark targets for them..... Jamie (Tongue very much in cheek) you mean 'Holiday' card don't you...? though thats probably half the problem right there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Penguin Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 you mean 'Holiday' card don't you...? though thats probably half the problem right there Actually, we still use Christmas cards here for the most part, much to the horror of our American colleagues.... One of our few remaining freedoms. Jamie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 you mean 'Holiday' card don't you...? though thats probably half the problem right there I am on Holiday right now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Congrats to Canada. Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard to be commander of NATO's Libyan mission. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Penguin Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Congrats to Canada.Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard to be commander of NATO's Libyan mission. Well someone's gotta be able to talk to the people doing all the work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 As far as I can tell, following CF-188 airframes are involved in Operation MOBILE:- 188734 - 188752 - 188756 - 188759 - 188769 - 188774* and/or 188739* (*not sure about these) 739 760 pics of them seen: here pg 2 Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Well someone's gotta be able to talk to the people doing all the work Still depends who is doing the work. For instance the 48th's F-15Es which technically are a NATO asset. Air to Ground taking out non-defensive targets is not allowed under NATO, so they would be under another command structure, add to this things like AWACS and Basing it gets pretty screwed up. Say Italy wants NATO control, will they then allow none NATO control assets to fly from their bases, AFRICOM ? Do all assets stay NATO till a certain altitude/deck level, say over 15k is NATO, Under 14,999 over target poof you are AFRICOM. CAS allowed with NATO or does CAS stay AFRICOM The list goes on, half a ship split between the two etc etc. Edited March 25, 2011 by Wayne S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Penguin Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Still depends who is doing the work. For instance the 48th's F-15Es which technically are a NATO asset. Air to Ground taking out non-defensive targets is not allowed under NATO, so they would be under another command structure, add to this things like AWACS and Basing it gets pretty screwed up. Say Italy wants NATO control, will they then allow none NATO control assets to fly from their bases, AFRICOM ? Do all assets stay NATO till a certain altitude/deck level, say over 15k is NATO, Under 14,999 over target poof you are AFRICOM. CAS allowed with NATO or does CAS stay AFRICOM The list goes on, half a ship split between the two etc etc. Gen Bouchard is French Canadian, you do the maths.... Edited March 25, 2011 by Flying Penguin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SBARC Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Gen Bouchard is French Canadian, you do the maths.... To get to high positions in the Canadian military you need to be bi-lingual in Canada's 2 official languages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Penguin Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) To get to high positions in the Canadian military you need to be bi-lingual in Canada's 2 official languages. Yep. No use being in charge and not speaking the language of the lads leading the charge Edited March 25, 2011 by Flying Penguin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) To get to high positions in the Canadian military you need to be bi-lingual in Canada's 2 official languages. Noticed your post has been edited so others might not understand this part. In essence Steve, it should have been his command anyway. He is the commander of NATO's Joint Force Naples which use to be NATO's Allied Forces Southern Europe, So the area should have fell under his control. He also use to be the Deputy Commander of NORAD. Edited March 25, 2011 by Wayne S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SBARC Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Noticed your post has been edited so others might not understand this part. In essence Steve, it should have been his command anyway. He is the commander of NATO's Joint Force Naples which use to be NATO's Allied Forces Southern Europe, So the area should have fell under his control. He also use to be the Deputy Commander of NORAD. Sorry for editing my post, but I prefer not to get too involved in this thread. There have been some very interesting posts though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Les / Creative Edge Photo Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) To get to high positions in the Canadian military you need to be bi-lingual in Canada's 2 official languages. If one endeavours to attain higher status as an officer in the Canadian Forces one would assume they'd take the time to be fluent enough in both official languages. I find it odd at how often people (BTW many of them are barely capable of being articulate in their given language) feel hard done by in life by having to learn another language. Be that Canada for one has two official languages and if it's a desire to again attain higher status in the nation's service taking time to learn the other language is not a hardship but should be viewed as a gift. I'm hardly bilingual, my extent of French comes from crappy high school French teaching and from years of watching the Montreal Canadiens games on CBC French when they had them as opposed to the damn Leafs games being on every Saturday on Hockey Night In Canada. Look at a person like Michael Schumacher. Yes he is privileged but probably grew up in a high pressure household yet he is said to be fluent enough in 7 languages. If high position in the Forces is one's desire, learning both languages well enough is a gift not a burdon. Edited March 25, 2011 by Les / Creative Edge Photo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ALF18 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 If one endeavours to attain higher status as an officer in the Canadian Forces one would assume they'd take the time to be fluent enough in both official languages. I find it odd at how often people (BTW many of them are barely capable of being articulate in their given language) feel hard done by in life by having to learn another language. Be that Canada for one has two official languages and if it's a desire to again attain higher status in the nation's service taking time to learn the other language is not a hardship but should be viewed as a gift. I'm hardly bilingual, my extent of French comes from crappy high school French teaching and from years of watching the Montreal Canadiens games on CBC French when they had them as opposed to the damn Leafs games being on every Saturday on Hockey Night In Canada. Look at a person like Michael Schumacher. Yes he is privileged but probably grew up in a high pressure household yet he is said to be fluent enough in 7 languages. If high position in the Forces is one's desire, learning both languages well enough is a gift not a burdon. Les Well said! I have had the good fortune to become fluently bilingual (English/French), due largely to having a French-speaking mother and English-speaking father. My father was born in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, and spoke barely a word of French when he moved here to Bagotville in the 50s. A couple years later, he had learned enough to court my mother, and we grew up in a bilingual household. I used to think I was doing well, until we moved to Europe... that's when I saw just how multi-lingual people can be! I believe it's 20% willingness, 50% hard work, and 30% being lucky enough to live in places where you can put your other languages to work. No matter how hard people in English-only areas (like most of this continent) try, they will not have the opportunity to become really fluent in French or other languages - with the exception of Quebec and areas of the USA where there are a lot of native Spanish speakers. Quebec's English-speaking population is probably the most bilingual group of people in Canada, followed closely by Montreal-area French-speaking people (on the Island, not in the suburbs). Where I live (next to Chicoutimi, which is LGen Bouchard's home town), the population is 99% French-speaking, and most people can barely say yes/no/toaster in English... Kudos to Gen Bouchard for learning English - he had to do it while a young military officer (he certainly didn't become that good in this region), and overcame the challenge of succeeding in pilot training in his second language at the same time! I teach at a French-language aviation college, where the young students come from all over Quebec. They work very hard to learn enough English to function when flying outside the Province, and to be able to learn aircraft operation from English-language textbooks and training. Fluency in more than one language is a great gift - not only does it make people's minds broader culturally, it helps to be better at your primary language as well, because you learn more about the origins of words, grammar, etc. ALF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Well, we are no longer second or third stringers now...Canadian Airforce General Bouchard takes over as Commander of NATO Ops in Libya. Well done!! http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-gen-char...082154-632.html Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Chladek Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 To get to high positions in the Canadian military you need to be bi-lingual in Canada's 2 official languages. Wait, but that only covers American English and Canadian English where the sentence ends in "eh" and you use metrics instead of inches and miles. If French is included, wouldn't that mean three languages? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SBARC Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Wait, but that only covers American English and Canadian English where the sentence ends in "eh" and you use metrics instead of inches and miles. If French is included, wouldn't that mean three languages? ;) If I'm not mistaken the US military means kilometers when they say "Click". It seems American English is slowly slipping away. ;) Embrace the "U" (colour etc) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a4s4eva Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 ell. The AESA equipped Super Hornets offer the same level of capability (actually, they probably exceed the Tiffy and Rafale in a couple of areas) and no one refers to them as Gen 4.5. Except Boeing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 If I'm not mistaken the US military means kilometers when they say "Click". It seems American English is slowly slipping away. ;) Embrace the "U" (colour etc) God, I hated the word color for years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 What the French have been up to: Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rafman Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 If I'm not mistaken the US military means kilometers when they say "Click". It seems American English is slowly slipping away. Embrace the "U" (colour etc) :D There is no such thing as american english, just english spelt badly..lol, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ixgr1 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 There is no such thing as american english, just english spelt badly..lol, Hehehehe...........(embrace the U) -some RAF bombcam footage http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/03/26/3174375.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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