brewer Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I've searched and searched, but here I am making another flat coat thread. I just used up my last bottle of the old-formula Pollyscale flat coat and I'm searching for a replacement. I grabbed a bottle of MM Acryl Flat and it sprays well without frosting or clogging, but it still has a matte almost satin sheen to it. I was misted from a distance, and one spot where I let it build up enough to look "wet" turned out more satin that the rest. I don't suppose thinning it would have any effect, so what do you guys do for a dead-flat finish? Thanks! Brewer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mmaker Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Use matt varnish with a little flat base... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brewer Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 Brands? I'd like to stick with acrylics. I can't find Vallejo Model Air flat anymore either... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Old Blind Dog Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I've searched and searched, but here I am making another flat coat thread.I just used up my last bottle of the old-formula Pollyscale flat coat and I'm searching for a replacement. I grabbed a bottle of MM Acryl Flat and it sprays well without frosting or clogging, but it still has a matte almost satin sheen to it. I was misted from a distance, and one spot where I let it build up enough to look "wet" turned out more satin that the rest. I don't suppose thinning it would have any effect, so what do you guys do for a dead-flat finish? Thanks! Brewer Hey Brewer, You should still be able to find the Polly Scale Clear Flat anywhere they carry the PS Railroad Colors Line. Try Micro Mark or Walthers Train Supply. cheers Old Blind Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brewer Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) edit double post Edited April 1, 2011 by brewer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brewer Posted April 1, 2011 Author Share Posted April 1, 2011 I know Pollyscale is still out there, but not the old formula. The new stuff is crap Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-17 guy Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I use tamiya flat base mixed into future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gharlane Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 try Floquil Flat coat, it works purty good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lucas C. Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Gunze flat clear (NOT the flat base) is great. I got mine from Lucky Model and love it--sprays easily, dries dead flat with no frosting. For Vallejo, try their Game Color or Model Color flat coats. They're pretty nice and very similar to the Model Air version, and just need more thinning if you want to spray them. I've found them at Squadron and Lucky Model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichardL Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I know Pollyscale is still out there, but not the old formula. The new stuff is crap The new stuff will turn frosty white even if you stare at it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Hingtgen Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Currently I like Tamiya's spray clear flat. TS-80? I'm unaware of a bottle version of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Old Blind Dog Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 The new stuff will turn frosty white even if you stare at it. I stocked up on Polly Scale clears last year; 10 bottles each of flat and gloss plus five satin. I have not had this problem. though apparently, everybody else has. Whatever. . . cheers Old Blind Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Hingtgen Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 There was an admitted problem with a large batch of the Pollyscale clears. But no recall. So "bad" bottles are still in many hobby shops. Buyer beware. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Isaac Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 The best I have used is the Gunze Clear Flat. Second, Vallejo Model Air Flat Varnish. The worst by far has been the poly scale which gave me a frost finish not matter what I did. Tamiya flat base with future was also frosty for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Loggie Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 G'Day Brewer. I swear by Gunze acrylic clear flat (H 20). I thin it 50/50 with GP/General Purpose thinner (from a aar parts shop) and spray away for a dead flat finish. Good luck. George, out.............................. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brewer Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 Thanks for all the input guys! I went ahead and stuck with the MM Acryl Flat for this project. Thinned it a bit with Acryl thinner and misted from a distance, and I'm happy with the results for this project. You guys have given me lots of options to try, so I'll try them all and see what works for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Isaac Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Brewer, when I first went to Vallejo, I tested it out on gloss black. I sprayed it neat and got some frosting. I thinned it a bit with windex and found the sweet spot with no frosting. The Gunze was pretty much fool proof. I think I should stock up from Lucky Model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lucas C. Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Brewer, when I first went to Vallejo, I tested it out on gloss black. I sprayed it neat and got some frosting. I thinned it a bit with windex and found the sweet spot with no frosting.The Gunze was pretty much fool proof. I think I should stock up from Lucky Model. It may be too late--it's listed as "available" already, so they don't have any in stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bails Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 NOT acrylic but super-flat.....Humbrol Matt Cote. There's nothing flatter on the planet than this stuff. Thin with high quality lacquer thinner, shake it, shake it, shake it, then spray a few mist coats and you've got it. Peace, Bails-In-Minnesota Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azza Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Gunze flat is great - although it has to be stirred thoroughly and sprayed in light misting coats .... otherwise you get the white talc spots, a problem which i had until recently. Thank to ARC threads that issue got sorted :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhino53 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Try Lifecolor Matt, I find it an excellent hard matt finish, and it's acrylic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thorsten Wieking Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Gunze flat is great - although it has to be stirred thoroughly and sprayed in light misting coats .... otherwise you get the white talc spots, a problem which i had until recently. Thank to ARC threads that issue got sorted :) Isn't that the secret with all clear flat coats? At least judging from my many failed attempts to get a good, even flat clear coat. Cheers Thorsten Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyT Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) Read http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...+windsor+newton http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...+windsor+newton Windsor and Newton is an artists varnish. http://www.winsornewton.com/products/oils-...ylic-varnishes/ Edited April 6, 2011 by TonyT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datahiker Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I bought some Liquitex Matte Varnish (an acrylic) because I had a 40% off coupon, only to find out it's more of a satin/semi-gloss finish. It was brushed on so the layer is probably thicker than what you'd get with an airbrush, but I really don't think a thinner coat would make a difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyT Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 look at my post above, this stuff coats flatter than a witches t*t and is available in the US Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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