Marcelo_P51D Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Hi guys. Well another question about BF-109. How to convert a 109G in a G12? "From early 1944 a number of G-2s, G-3s, G-4s and G-6s were converted to two seat trainers, known as the G-12. An instructor's cockpit was added behind the original cockpit" from Wikipedia. Well, what is the best kit to do this convertion? An academy 109G6 is the best choice? Thanks guys. Marcelo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juergen Klueser Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Hi Marcello, MPM had a G-12 kit, which is not too bad. Regards Juergen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It depends on your scale of choice. MPM has a short run kit in The Proper Scale: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Reviews/luftwaffe/bf109g12.htm Kiwi Resins make a resin conversion in 1/48th: http://kits.kitreview.com/bf109g12previewbg_1.htm Falcon do a vac conversion in the same scale: http://www.scaleworkshop.com/109g12bg_1.htm UMI do a 1/32nd set: http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis/cleaver/tmcg12.htm HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcelo_P51D Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Hi guys. Well i know that G12 is a converted G6 or G4 etc. Well, the Academy kit is very cheap. Can i use this kit with a Hi_Tech resin part to convert the G6 in a G12? Does anyone knows the Hi-tech resin parts site? Thanks. Marcelo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Kohona Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Marcelo, Hobbycraft did a 1/72 Me.109G-12 kit. It was based in the Intech kit, which was essentially a copy of the retooled Hasegawa 1/72 Me.109G family of kits from the 1990s and still issued (periodically) today. I also have Hi Tech's 1/72 Me.109G-12 conversion set, which is very nice. I actually have all 3 1/72 Me.109G-12 conversions / kits. MPM has a nice set of decals plus the vac form canopy, Hobbycraft has the fuselage section for the 2 seater that you could literally drop in place of the Hasegawa kit's single seater fuselage section (the rest of the Intech / HObbycraft kit is somewhat more crude and you are better off using the remaining bits from the Hasegawa kit, IMHO). The Hi Tech resin set is the icing to the cake and would complete this conversion. If you are really into having an accurate kit as possible and can find yourself the Hawkeye Designs Me.109G update bits, tail and nose sections, you'd really be off to the races. I have taken it a step further and plan on chopping up a Fine Molds 109G kit and using the Hi Tech resin cockpit, MPM bits and fuselage section from the Hobbycraft kit - a rather expensive project, but that is just me. HTH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Kohona Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Sorry Marcelo, I should have also mentioned, try Hannants for the Hi Tech cockpit parts. It has been awhile since I checked, but they were the only place I was able to find it. Worst case, you could keep an eye on eBay as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) I know this is a very old topic but today I can answer with a bit of knowledge about this subject. Not about the G-12 but about the conversion, because I am doing one. Mine is a G-6 conversion. I am doing a write-up about it here. I plan on doing another one from an early G-2 also after this one is done. Mine is actually an Avia CS.99 formally a G-12. https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=131002 The reason I can speak of this conversion is because I actually attempted the conversion from a few different kits and found out which are the good -bad and ugly. I have finally decided on what I would consider the best. Zvezda Bf-109G-6. Don't bother with any of the conversion kits available. Just use a canopy from Jays Models http://www.jaysmodelkits.com/jaysmk/index.php?main_page=product_reviews_info&products_id=1085&reviews_id=6&zenid=69t861r5uoa25dku4kct4ndj55 I bought four of them. This is how far I am now and hope to finish this model soon. This first conversion is actually built from a combination of UM wing and Eduard Fuselage. Only because I already made the investment of time and money at the beginning. The wing because I already finished building it and did not wish to toss the whole kit since the fuselage was dimensionally so bad and it was not fixable. I used the Eduard fuselage because it was dimensionally fixable and it was easy to mate the UM wing to it. Lot of extra work (which I did not mind) but the Zvezda definitely would have cut some hours of work from this endeavor. I did however enjoy the extra challenge. This model is a true kit-bash. The fuselage did require quite a bit of cutting and material removal to make it dimensionally more accurate. Even than it is not quite just right. The front end is way too big. But I won't tell anyone if you don't. There are MANY dimensional errors on the Eduard Fuselage and I hate all the rivets. https://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=1570317 Edited April 13, 2020 by Otto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I did forget to mention a few things. These are , price of original kit, Accuracy of original kit, Best kit to work with. The best kit to work with is very subjective. That will depend on what you wish to do with your conversion regarding detail and exposure. Price is dependent on the region of the world you live in. Accuracy is also a bit subjective but I think that there seams to be a mutual agreement that the Tamiya and Zvezda are the most accurate. Even the Eduard falls into the "not so accurate" group. For the combination of these factors, I chose the Zvezda. The biggest fault I could find with the Zvezda kit was the fact of the wingspan being 2mm too small. Because for this first model I did not use the Zvezda (only because I have already made the investment of a few other kits, so I decided to "accurize" them and finish the project), I did figure out a rather quick and easy way to fix the wingspan issue on the Zvezda kit. If this is not an option for you than the only obvious accurate subject is the Tamiya. This is if price is not your issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I would also like to mention that the Zvezda kit would and will be my first choice for any other Bf-109 Variation modification I plan on doing. This includes but is not limited to the Czech Avia S-199 Mezek (Mule) conversion which the wing shown is intended for. Using the beautiful AML set also with other components including some from the original Hobby Craft kit. At this point, only the wing blisters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) I did forget to mention that from the Zvezda kit you can build the G-4 G-6 early short tailed and G-6 late tall tailed variants. You might even be able to build a G-14 from it. So for conversions, it is, in my opinion the best choice. You can get them for almost nothing from ModelsUA. I am one of his established members and the kit costs me about $12US. Definitely worth the money. Less than half the price of an Eduard weekend addition. Even overtrees cost about $19 here in the US. Besides, I believe more dimensionally accurate but for the 2mm too small wingspan. The fuselage is definitely more accurate. Besides the fact that Messerschmidt sealed all his rivet heads so the 109 should not show almost any rivet detail. Eduard is just packed with it. It reminds me of the old Nichimo kits. https://modelsua.com/messerschmitt-bf-109-g6-1-48-zvezda-4816.html the kit is a bit more if you are not an established customer of ModelsUA. but still very inexpensive. Edited April 13, 2020 by Otto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I just received my order of two more of the Zvezda Bf-109G-6 kits for my conversions. I am not a builder of German aircraft or in particular the Bf-109, but I do build anything with Czech markings. Variants of the 109 were flown by the Czechs into the 50s. Between various S-99, CS-99, S-199 and CS-199 aircraft in different variations and paint schemes, I could build a half dozen or more with no problem. Single seaters and dual seaters. Heck, there were at least 6 different two seat versions flown by the Czechs after the war. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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