Andrew Doppel Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Hi guys, I'm well into my build of the F8 Crusader using the 1/48 Hasegawa French Navy F8 and Muroc F8-C conversion which fits like a treat to the original kit. Instead of using the full conversion I decided to use the part conversion with Eduard P/E. I have the Cutting Edge decals to boot with the only down side of these being that there is no 'USS Independence' decals for the rear fuselage. My question/s for those in the know is; does anyone have a decent nose shot of the F8C particularly the Vagabonds/JR Crusader as I can't quite make out whether the pitot tubes are central to the nose as per the kit instructions or just above the intake which is where I think they should be, and is there an air speed indicator tube on the starboard side below the cockpit. My other query is; can I use the kit seat with the P/E to make a true representation of a Crusader seat or was this a different Mk. of the MB seat? I don't want to have to try and track down a resin seat if the kit one is close enough when the P/E is added. Hoping that someone can help as I can't find any close up shots via Google that assists. Regards Andrew P.S. Hope to put some images up in the 'In Progress' forum over next couple of days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kozlok Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Almansur has the best pics I know of for that scheme: http://www.almansur.com/jollyrogers/vagabondshijacked.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 (edited) Check True Details for the early Mk F-5 seat, I think they make the best one. HERE's a link from a past discussion. Also search here for articles posted by Superheat, he had some up close shots of the nose. I can't find a good pic of the M/B F-5 seat without the extra cushion removed,but in THIS picture you can see the difference in the parachute pack, the tub wraps around the parachute and if the cushion was removed you could better see the pack of the upper seat, it is shaped like a long horse shoe, rather than the hard container of the M/B F-7 seat. Curt Edited September 27, 2011 by Netz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Doppel Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Thanks Kozlok and Curt. Kozlok I've been all over the Almanus site but the images aren't quite close enough to tell re the pitot tubes. Curt, your links were very helpful. I appreciate that both of you replied. Regards Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Check THIS. Curt Prime Portal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Julien (UK) Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Wow those are nice pics, not seen them before. I thought at the time VF-84 had the C model they were fitted with the vought seat. Most pics I have seem to suggest this as it is much more boxy than the MB seat. Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Doppel Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Thanks again to those that responded. You assistance is appreciated. Regards Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Doppel Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Some images in In Progress forum for those interested Regards Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Where?? Do you have a link? Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Doppel Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Here you go Curt http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=238104 Regards Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Ok, I was looking for a straight up build, I did find that one in your profile page. Check those exhaust scoops, they look to be at the wrong angle. Dave's conversion is nice. Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superheat Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hi Andrew, The pitot tube (which provides the dynamic pressure info for the air speed indicator) is located as per David's instructions as can be seen in the photo Jose posted above or the one below. There is nothing on the right side. The Life photo that Jose posted also shows the Yaw vane on the top of the radome, which dates it to 1959 or 60, since they didn't last long. The Hasegawa kit seat is a good basis for an F5 seat, in fact, out of the box it is a better representation than one of the aftermarket seats produced. Below are some photos to help with detailing it. Unless True Details has begun marketing the Black Box seat for the Hasegawa kit separately, the seat they have is the old KMC seat for the Monogram kit and, though very nice, is too wide and too tall to fit the Hasegawa kit. er A couple things to note since you are starting with the E(FN) kit is that you will need to assemble the leading edge flap segments as single elements rather than the two elements of the E(FN)/J. Also the UHT (horizontal stabs) on the E(FN) and J are larger than those of the other F-8 versions and should be reduced in size to accurately portray a C. Some notes on VF-84 and the F-8: VF-84 was the first squadron to equip with the C and it was the only version they operated. Since C production began with the Vought seat, 84 initially had that seat, probably for no more than a year or so. I have photos from a pilot who was in the squadron from 61 to 63 (which I am not at liberty to share, unfortunately) and all have MB F5 seats. All also have spoked nose wheels, but the late disc style mains, though I am sure their original aircraft had the ribbed mains when delivered. It would be nice if someone would do those early ribbed mains (Doug?). The long and short of it is that a VF-84 C can have either seat, and either set of wheels, or a combination thereof, depending on the time frame: in 59-60, Vought seat early wheels; 61-63 MB seat, spoked nose wheel with late mains; by 64 the late wheels. It's a bit late, but I hope it helps. Cheers, Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Doppel Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Thanks Tom, That info is very handy. I'll have to refer to your post as I go to get things right. Cheers Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Almansur Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Wow those are nice pics, not seen them before. I thought at the time VF-84 had the C model they were fitted with the vought seat. Most pics I have seem to suggest this as it is much more boxy than the MB seat. You won't believe the amount of new quality material I have to upload! Yes, Vought seats on VF-84 Crusaders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Almansur Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 How about a "half-naked" bird? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Doppel Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I can't look Jose, did you get my message? Also, does this mean you are going to update your site? Regards Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Almansur Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I can't look Jose, did you get my message? Also, does this mean you are going to update your site? Regards Andrew I got your message. The site will be updated, don't know when... the Furies were FJ-3M, not FJ-2... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon50EX Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Hi Andrew, i attempted to start a F8U-1 conversion using just the Hasegawa kit, but i got deadlocked with the cooling vents. Do you have an email address where i can contact Dave Newman about the conversion? Cheers, david Hi guys, I'm well into my build of the F8 Crusader using the 1/48 Hasegawa French Navy F8 and Muroc F8-C conversion which fits like a treat to the original kit. Instead of using the full conversion I decided to use the part conversion with Eduard P/E. I have the Cutting Edge decals to boot with the only down side of these being that there is no 'USS Independence' decals for the rear fuselage. My question/s for those in the know is; does anyone have a decent nose shot of the F8C particularly the Vagabonds/JR Crusader as I can't quite make out whether the pitot tubes are central to the nose as per the kit instructions or just above the intake which is where I think they should be, and is there an air speed indicator tube on the starboard side below the cockpit. My other query is; can I use the kit seat with the P/E to make a true representation of a Crusader seat or was this a different Mk. of the MB seat? I don't want to have to try and track down a resin seat if the kit one is close enough when the P/E is added. Hoping that someone can help as I can't find any close up shots via Google that assists. Regards Andrew P.S. Hope to put some images up in the 'In Progress' forum over next couple of days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Doppel Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 Sorry David, Just saw your ost whilst re-hashing some info. Here's his email address; David Newman <newmanispwest@yahoo.com> Regards Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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