Monox Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 If someone acts in Moscow look into the following areas. We promise. Victory Park: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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HOLMES Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Monox, If I had the time to get over there right now I would and go and see this tremendous looking place.. WOW !!! Thanks for sharing this.. HOLMES Edited October 4, 2011 by HOLMES Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I haven't been to Park Pobed for about 3 years now - but it seems they have installed roofing over the exhibits.... Whilst this protects them a bit from the elements, it looks like it also makes them more difficult to photograph..... A few of my pics from 2008..... Here's a panoramic shot from 2004..... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOLMES Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 ken LOVELY pics... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfgun33 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Nice pics. I'd love to go there and see them. It looks like they're all clean and in good condition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monox Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 Moscow - Hodinka. A long time agolived better days aircraft museum of remains - the city center. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Kalashnikov-47 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) Here's a link to some photographs I shot at Khodinka: http://www.bubbamoose.com/khodinka.html Edited October 7, 2011 by Kalashnikov-47 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ensafrirpo Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Nice stuff, thanks for posting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monox Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Moscow - Central Armed Forces Museum. Tanks, howitzers, various military vehicles, fighter aircrafts and a helicopter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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dahut Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Beautiful airplanes, beautiful woman, vodka and, well... yeah. Russia! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) BTW today was signed contract, Russian Ministry of Defence sold all aircrafts from Khodynka to Vadim Zadorojnuy museum, untill mid of 2012 all aircrafts will be demonted and deployed to Krasnogorsk, after restoration (all aircrafts in very bad condition) its will shown and new Zadorojniy exhibition territory. Edited October 12, 2011 by kotey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Great news, Andrei I'm glad they are finally doing something with those exhibits. I always thought that the collection at Khodynka was better in many ways than Monino. Monino has lots of one-offs and prototypes, but Khodynka always had a better representative collection of service machines. They had loads of Su-15 variants (the sole one at Monino is a T-58), lots of MiG-25's & MiG-23/27's, a rare T10-20 Flanker, a MiG-21SMT etc etc. The museum at Zadorozhny is going from strength to strength..... I just hope they will take the two Yaks out of the trees ..... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Nice news!!!! Thanks Kotey!!! It would be nice that they buy those SMTs and Fulcrums from Dolgoye Ledovo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) I hope ex-Khodynka aircrats will be restored good, but i'm not think it will be so goos as Yak-25 and Yak-28P - beacouse this two aircrafts have initial historical painting - many years ago after assembly and flight test (both aircrats have about 3 hours flight time) its were reassembled and pack into wood boxes. Zadorojniy museum buy this box and assembled this aircrafts after 30 years of keeping. Edited October 13, 2011 by kotey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
echolmberg Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Just out of sheer curiosity, I've always wondered if you can find U.S. planes in Russian air museums in much the same way you can always find Russian planes in American museums. I'd love to visit Russia one of these days. I wish I did more traveling in my youth since I had far more disposable income and time back then. Eric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 I hope ex-Khodynka aircrats will be restored good, but i'm not think it will be so goos as Yak-25 and Yak-28P - beacouse this two aircrafts have initial historical painting - many years ago after assembly and flight test (both aircrats have about 3 hours flight time) its were reassembled and pack into wood boxes. Zadorojniy museum buy this box and assembled this aircrafts after 30 years of keeping. Is the Yak-28P the same one that was at Khodynka ??? I photographed it there in 1993, in the Yakovlev are. It disappeared a few years later........ Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Just out of sheer curiosity, I've always wondered if you can find U.S. planes in Russian air museums in much the same way you can always find Russian planes in American museums. I'd love to visit Russia one of these days. I wish I did more traveling in my youth since I had far more disposable income and time back then. Eric Yes - Gary Powers' U-2 in the Central Armed Forces Museum..... Sorry.......... Apart from Lend-Lease stuff at Monino (A-20, B-25, P-63 etc), I can't think of any US Planes in Russian museums.... Don't forget - most of the 'Russian' stuff on display in the west is from former Warpac countries, not from Russia itself. I did photographs the fin of an A-7, the fin of Scott O'Grady's F-16 and an F-111 escape module - but they were in the Structures Faculty at the Moscow Aviation Institute. They were being used to show the faculty students the structural methods used in US aircraft. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Dear Eric (echolmberg) Please have a look at US export laws. Nothing of military nature can be exported abroad. Unless of course US authorities are interested in getting the money! I am sure you still remember the very strict laws for exporting anything, any technology to the Socialist countries until 1990. US was always afraid that the Russians or any other nation on the other side of the iron curtain would gain something from such imports. They are still keeping a distance. The question of having Russian aircraft in the US is on the other hand perfectly acceptable business for the US. It was in “national interest†to have a close look at any Russian aircraft that “happened to find itself†in the US or near US (Japan MiG-25). Of course the Russians did the same thing when they had the chance with the F-5, the Phantom or the F-14 and its missiles. But this was always the case with any nation, look at the years after WW2 and the “research†done on ex German materials in Russia, UK or the US and many other places. There is still considerable distrust today, I have to ad on both sides!!! There is little chance that any US aircraft would “officially†turn up in Russian museum, unless it is parts from the U-2 (and I don’t mean the Irish band). Hodinka field was a sorry site, even in the early days. It was very unfortunate to see how some fascinating planes were subjected to abuse from the harsh Russian weather, the souvenir hunters, kids playing all over them. Almost a decade ago I saw trucks arrive and take away parts for scrap metal from a MiG which were cut into pieces unceremoniously by one of the museum staff to make some money. It was no great surprise that all the exhaust rings from the five MiG-25 aircraft they had disappeared and rematerialized in someone’s pocket as a lot of cash. On the other hand the planes in Hodinka had their original paint scheme or what was left of it and it was the only place where one could have a look at the original grey colour of the MiG-25 or all of its stencils! There is little chance that you will be able to do this after restoration. Still it is a good news that at least they will survive unlike the many planes which were cut up in the past decade including that amazing Jastreb reconnaissance UAV with the original R-15 engine! Good luck to the Hodinka birds! Best regards Gabor Hi Ken, No, the Yaks at Zadorozhnuj are from the original Yakovlev collection that was partly shown in the in house Yakovlev museum and also kept in wooden boxes in a warehouse on the order of Mr Yakovlev. So they came from a timecapsule when Zadorozhnuj acquired them. They are just the way they were 30-40 years ago. But unfortunately the Russian weather will take that away in no time. They should be kept indoors! Yes I also have photos of the Yaks at Hodinka from late 90s, I think they were part of what I have written about above! Unfortunately! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4scourge7 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Yes - Gary Powers' U-2 in the Central Armed Forces Museum..... Apart from Lend-Lease stuff at Monino (A-20, B-25, P-63 etc), I can't think of any US Planes in Russian museums.... Don't forget - most of the 'Russian' stuff on display in the west is from former Warpac countries, not from Russia itself. I did photographs the fin of an A-7, the fin of Scott O'Grady's F-16 and an F-111 escape module - but they were in the Structures Faculty at the Moscow Aviation Institute. They were being used to show the faculty students the structural methods used in US aircraft. Ken Hi Ken, great stuff as always. When I was there they had part of a crashed Israeli jet showing the Star of David roundel, I think (?? long time ago??) it was an F-4 Phantom, any sign of this? Cheers, Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 When I was there they had part of a crashed Israeli jet showing the Star of David roundel, I think (?? long time ago??) it was an F-4 Phantom, any sign of this? Cheers, Ian Ian, I don't know if it's the same one - but this Star of David from an F4 is at the PVO Museum at Balashika.... The caption plate reads :- Fragment of an Israeli Phantom fighter-bomber shot down by a missile over Egypt on 30 June 1970 by Anti-Aircraft Rocket Artillery Division, commanded by Captain V.P. Malyauka. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
echolmberg Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Thanks Gabor! That's pretty interesting stuff. I know we got a lot of our "Russian" planes mainly from the former communist satellite countries. I just wasn't sure if some of our old fighters that went to places like Iran ever showed up in other museums around the world. Didn't we once sell F-14s to Iran? And how many countless F-5s were sent out to places like South Vietnam? I wasn't sure if invading countries snapped them up and placed them on display somewhere. It would sure be weird to see an F-4, F-5 or even an F-14 sitting in a foreign museum somewhere. Seeiing that U-2 (which is also my favorite group, by the way) in the Russian museum was surreal. Eric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4scourge7 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Ian, I don't know if it's the same one - but this Star of David from an F4 is at the PVO Museum at Balashika.... The caption plate reads :- Fragment of an Israeli Phantom fighter-bomber shot down by a missile over Egypt on 30 June 1970 by Anti-Aircraft Rocket Artillery Division, commanded by Captain V.P. Malyauka. Ken Seems to be a lot less pieces than I remember, and in a different museum, Ahem....like I said, a long time ago. Nice one Ken, I really must go back some day, your pics are a good motivator. Cheers, Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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