ya-gabor Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Dear Eric, Just as US specialist were very interested to see what the other side has so did the Russians too. And just as the Americans are not too keen on publishing, speaking about, not to say displaying in public any of the stuff that they have examined closely so are the Russians. There are many reports on US planes going to Russia after (and during) the Vietnam war. For certain are F-5’s and lots of engines from ex-US bases. It was never confirmed but Iranian F-14’s were examined as well as the missiles. And who knows what else. Sure if there is something good on the “other side†that you can “incorporate†into your own developments or through the knowledge of how it is working one can make a suitable counter measure against it you would be a fool not to do it. And this is true of both sides, the US and the Russians. The end results of such examinations are not public and any evidence of it is kept under wraps. Same on both sides. The Russians had a Hall of Foreign Technology in a research institute full of WW2 German aircraft in beautiful condition as well as cutaways. All of that was destroyed when there was no more need for them. I would say that most of the US aircraft on dissection were also disposed of after a time. Still it would be interesting to see some of them in a museum. All that is left are the bits and pieces from downed aircraft here and there. But this is a very different story, here any military (just as going back in history) would proudly display the proof of a winning battle! So you have pieces of the famous U-2 in many places in Russia (Monino, PVO, Central Museum . . .) In Central Museum I remember seeing some F-4 parts too. Nothing big though. But I should ask when will anything be public on the US research on Belenkos MiG-25P that defected to Japan. US had a very close look at the plane! But then you can mention the Yak-23 (from Romania) which has spent some time in the US with Air Force markings before returning home. The MiG-21 F-13 research and many others after that. Or go back as far as the MiG-15 defection in the Korean war. In Afganistan a lot of money was promised to the first Russian soldiers who can capture a Stinger SAM. Surely they did find one (and even more) which were sent back to the motherland for examination. Speaking of the U-2 there are similar pieces on public display in at least two museums in Cuba. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Is the Yak-28P the same one that was at Khodynka ??? I photographed it there in 1993, in the Yakovlev are. It disappeared a few years later........ Ken No, Ken, Yak-25 and Yak-28P, which now in Zadorojniy museum, early belonged to Yakovlev bureau - this two aircraft kept in Kubinka RuAF academy as potential visual manual, but never used in this academy, its were never get from packing. During first half of this 2011 year Zadorojniy muzeum bought from Khodynka Yak-28R, in this September i saw this aircraft in Krasnogorsk - it was first aircraft from Khodynka, which was bought by museum, all other was sold in October. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Linden Hill Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Privet, Kotey! You must have taken that photo in August! S. Yakhontov showed me around the back area at Zadarozhny's place also. He seemed to think that the first Yak-28 V.Z. purchased from Khodynka was a PP variant. Did you see the Kingcobra in the hangar next door? The ground which was being cleared behind the current museum/office complex is going to enable VZ to house the entire aircraft collection indoors, according to Sergey. He was also told that the new building will be much larger than the old one, so that would make it at least 5 stories tall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Privet, Guy. Yes, its Yak-28PP, my mistake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dawestsides Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Khodynka was a sad view for every aviation fan,but on the other hand it was the only place in the world where you can freely touch,climb and seat inside a Foxbat,I will never forget these magic moments last August: Khodynka Album August 2011 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Hi dawestsides, Yes, I know the feeling. And the MiG-25 you are sitting in is an early P version. There aren’t too many left of them and I think this is the only one on display. There should be a middle way where you can be in touch (and I mean also physically) with the aircraft on show and at the same time have them in a vandal free protected environment! It is not easy to do but can be done. I just hope that it will be the same with the Hodinka planes in the future. The Flygvapenmuseum in Linchöping Sweden is a good example where you can see the SAAB Draken as it is but also there is a cockpit (or there was a few years ago) where you could sit into it and feel how small it was inside. Some of the aircraft they have in outside storage are also in very poor condition. When speaking of the vandals I have to repeat that I think those who were responsible for protecting the planes at Hodinka were mostly responsible for the irreversible damage to the aircraft for their own financial benefit! Yes, there is graffiti on them but that can be washed away, the missing aircraft, the missing engines, engine exhaust are not replaceable (they don’t exist any more). Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dawestsides Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 You're totally right Gabor, I know the airframes will have to be removed someday,but I'm sure I will never be able to seat in the cockpit of a Foxbat again.When I went to Monino the day before,we were not even allowed to get close to the aircrafts.I can say that I'm happy I had the opportunity in Khodynka before it's too late. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monox Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 Besides from Moscow, about 50 km in the Monino city the Eastern Block best-known instruments of exhibition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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dawestsides Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Monino is a great place too,and the director is a former MiG-31 pilot.We came early before the MAKS crowd,and he accompanied us through all the visit! Nice pics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Monino is a great place too,and the director is a former MiG-31 pilot.We came early before the MAKS crowd,and he accompanied us through all the visit! Nice pics. Is he new ??? We always dealt with an old Georgian guy called Kazashvili - I thought he was the Director? In fact he is photographed inside the Monino brochure he was selling - and autographed - for us. Mind you, we didn't see him around on our 2011 visit - so he may have gone...... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dawestsides Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I don't know if he is the new director or not but he introduced himself as such.I forgot his name,a tall and slim guy with glasses,around 50 years old.Will post his picture tomorrow. He was a little upset when we told him that they were no more MiG-25PD flying in the RuAF,only RB's,and he told us that as a former MiG-31 pilot he knows better what's still flying and what's not... :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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