Berkut Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Well, it can be done, airbrake on Hasegawa Su-33 fits with absolutely no problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 my Flanker is still stuck with the Customs since Thursday... hope I get it tomorrow... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Just for Ken .... Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
su27rules Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Nice photo!! Tnx!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Ooooohh. Thanks Deino So many Flankers, so little time...... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mair Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 haaaaaa cool! drool drool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonal Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Nice to see another Flanker on the work bench, thanks for posting Ken, will follow as always. Tonal B) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drake122 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 There are no hydraulic arms for the wheel bay doors in this kit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 There are no hydraulic arms for the wheel bay doors in this kit? No - in that respect it is quite simplified - but it is (relatively) cheap..... I rather have the basics at a reasonable price than a really sophisticated kit that charges mega bucks (Hassegawa Su-33 anyone ??). What you do get is a spare K-36 ejection seat, extra stabilisers, a spare radome and a Su-27 style instrument panel. Oh! - and LOADS of weapons. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonW Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) Never mind, found my answer...... :D Edited February 6, 2012 by JasonW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonW Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Ken, can you please elaborate on the differences in the pylons between the J-11B and Su-27. I was looking at the Trumpeter J-11B kit on sprue tree M and trying to tell if there was a chance of using the pylons (parts 5,7 and 9) as they look very much like Su-27 pylons. What are the differences? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stratospheremodels Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Looks good ! Thanks for the quick review Ken ! I might finally be able to 'retire' my Hasegawa kit (which i thought was pretty good until i read the big inaccuracy problem about the distance between both engines being wrong on this forum, thus the whole fuselage shape.. It's true i had also never measured or compared the kit to any blueprint, and didn't own any other SU-27 (i sold my Academy kit a long while ago) so i had not noticed the problems until relatively recently) and i had paid that kit at a very high price back then. Stephane. Website: http://picturetrail.com/stratospheremodels Email: stratospheremodels@yahoo.fr Edited February 22, 2012 by Stratospheremodels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Ken, can you please elaborate on the differences in the pylons between the J-11B and Su-27. I was looking at the Trumpeter J-11B kit on sprue tree M and trying to tell if there was a chance of using the pylons (parts 5,7 and 9) as they look very much like Su-27 pylons. What are the differences? Jason, They ARE Su-27 pylons........... I'm no expert on the J-11, but it looks like the basic pylons are the same as the Su-27 - certainly the basic J-11 is the same. Where the J-11B differs is in the wingtip pylons - they are extended downwards to accomodate the fins on the Python-derived PL-8 missile. So Trumpeter provide two sprues of pylons - plus four sprues of missiles - and these contain the adaptor rails for the underwing PL-8 and PL-12..... So you could build a Su-27 from the J-11B using the kit pylons - but you would have to replace the kit wingtip pylons - and provide your own missiles - as well as a couple of other minor changes. But - why not wait until Trumpeter releases a Su-27 anyway. HTH.....?? Ken PS - Note also that Trumpeter incorrectly show 12 pylons (with 3 under each wing - not counting the wingtip) - the J-11B only has two pylons per underwing - same as a 'standard' Su-27 - making a total of 10. So don't fit the inner underwing pylons - to neither the J-11B or a Su-27. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inquisitor Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Sorry to have to disagree with you Ken, but I think your old age is affecting your eyesight. Because no matter how I see it the sprue in the J-11B only contains chinese specific rails. The Pylon stubs might be correct but none of the rails are the russian ones. For starters there's no APU-73 rail which usually hangs on the outer wing pylons. Instead the J-11B instructions have you use Pieces 9 and 10, which look like APU-470 but aren't. This chinese rails have the middle section higher whereas the russian APU-470 is a single thin rail, with both pylons stubs on top and a little hump on the rear section. As for pieces 5 to 8, they don't even look remotely like AKU-470s or even attach to the pylon stubs like their russian counterparts. As for 3&4 they look like the amorphous plastic blobs that trumpeter tries to pass as AKU-470 in their 1/32 kit but now downsized to 1/72. Hope Zactoman won't get angry for using his pics for this comparison Edited February 7, 2012 by Inquisitor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Sorry to have to disagree with you Ken, but I think your old age is affecting your eyesight. You're right about old age and the eyesight...... I never said the Trumpeter J-11B rails were accurate........ - just that they were the same as a Su-27's. I still think the rails on the real Su-27 and J-11B are the same - why would they differ ?? The J-11B has adaptors and a different wingtip rail for the Chinese-specific missiles, but I suspect the base rails are the same (or should be!). Be interesting to see what the rails are like on Trumpeter's promised Su-27/Su-27UB. I could be wrong (it has been known!! - and it is getting more frequent!!! ) - be interesting to compare the real J-11B pylons with the Russian ones - Deino ???? I wish I'd taken more walkround pics of the J-11 at Xiaotangshan ....... I've just got one closeup showing the APU-470 mount. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Are the ICM pylons accurate? The same pylons and weapons included in both their Su-27 and in the stand-alone Soviet Air-to-Air Aircraft Armament (Art.: 72212 - CLICK). I've compared them once to the J-11B's pylons and they're rather different. And how about Hasegawa's Su-33? Edited February 7, 2012 by ChernayaAkula Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) I'm convert J-11B to Su-27 of middle productional bathces now and use ICM set. Biggest problem - in this set include only one sprue from Su-27 model with missiles and pylon. As going to make full armed aircraft - so i need two sprues - two sets. About accuracy - yes, this pylons look good and this is really Russian pylons for Su-27, not Chinese as in Trumpeter model. Edited February 8, 2012 by kotey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 ^ Your set didn't contain two sprues? :unsure: It should have (according to ICM's website). I've got two of those sets and they both contain two sprues each. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 My set content one box with one plastic bag, which content one instruction sheet and one sprue. I'm get another one sprue from ICM Su-27 model, as i'm make Trumpeter Su-27 - actually i havn't plans make other Su-27's from ICM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inquisitor Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) My set content one box with one plastic bag, which content one instruction sheet and one sprue. I'm get another one sprue from ICM Su-27 model, as i'm make Trumpeter Su-27 - actually i havn't plans make other Su-27's from ICM. Then contact ICM or where you bought it to get a replacement. The ICM 1/72 Soviet Air-to-Air Aircraft Armament should have 2 (two) sprues in the box. With a total of around 6 of each missile and 4-6 of each rail. Edited February 8, 2012 by Inquisitor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 As i bought this set i local hobby shop - tomorrow i'll go to this shop and let it owner discuss with ICM about replacement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Meanwhile, back to my question........ Are the pylons on the Shenyang J-11 and J-11B different from those on the Sukhoi Su-27. Forget about adaptor rails, or what they look like in the Trumpeter J-11B kit - I'm talking about the real thing here. Are they different ??? - can we nail this down?? Lets have some photos of same - I'll dig out what I've got.... Ken Edited February 8, 2012 by Flankerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike D Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 On the strength of this thread, I picked up the last J-11 at Hobby Emporium in Tyngsboro MA this weekend. I've got the ICM pylons/weapons so it will be an OOTB Russian bird, or as close as I can manage with the bits on hand Nice little kit. Much better in quality and fit than the Hobby Boss easy builder kits, not quite Hasegawa guality, but not Hase $$ either. Other than the lower fuselage 'rudder-ettes?' ?? the fit has been really quite nice. I'll be fitting the ICM pylons to the lower fuselage today. On an unrelated note, anyone want ot buy a modern chinese a/a missle and pylon set? Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nicholassagan Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I'm expecting my kit to come in the mail shortly...and am getting super excited to build it. The pics in this thread sure helped make the decision easy. :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike D Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Bogged down a bit, life getting in the way even on vacation. Got the pylons painted, sludge washed, and futured. I hope to try the fit of the Begemot pylon decals tomorrow. Tonight I'll paint the interior and keep waiting for the Eduard Zoom cockpit etch. Hopefully the set for the ICM su-27 fits reasonably well. Intakes went on fine, and the interior engine bits are painted. I've left the intake ramps down as shown in the instructions, but cutting them to fit otherwise would not be difficult. Anyone got a spare copy of the Verlinden Su-27 Lock-on book they're willing to part with? Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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