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Tracing it's heritage from the 1960's grandma's lead sled and from the Alfa-Chrysler merge comes this new vehicle

coming out probably next year. Here is the article.

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/dodge-brings-back-dart-italian-flair-143028811.html

I'm kinda excited about what it will look like. I actually like the looks of the original Dart.

RYAN.

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Tracing it's heritage from the 1960's grandma's lead sled and from the Alfa-Chrysler merge comes this new vehicle

coming out probably next year. Here is the article.

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/dodge-brings-back-dart-italian-flair-143028811.html

I'm kinda excited about what it will look like. I actually like the looks of the original Dart.

RYAN.

If history repeats itself this might be a bad move to pin an American name on a non American ride specially when using an iconic name.

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I still own a 1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. Blue with a white vinyl top with the 318. It needs some work, but it's only got 88k for mileage on it and I've had it since I was 15. I'm semi-excited to see the new Dart, with a little bit of trepidation since I can't get the whole new Charger thing out of my head. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like the new Charger....but it just doesn't live up to the heritage of the old one. It certainly looks like a nice car from the pictures. Who knows? Maybe I'll have to have a 74 and a 13.

:cheers:

Justin

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>>> Dart-Mouth.com <<<

It's going to be a sharp little car ... :thumbsup:

Gregg

Meh it looks like a modernized Neon.

I can't see myself buying anything American anytime soon. I don't understand why there's such a gap between American and Asian cars but there is. If I had to buy a brand new car right now it'd probably still be the Toyota Camry. Or something from Nissan. I haven't liked the looks or track record of anything Chevy, Ford, or Dodge pretty much since I was able to drive 16 years ago.

It's not a knock on the cars or the companies it's more a knock on the designers.

I understand the need to support American car manufacturers but when they only build crap it's hard to get behind. At least some of the Asian cars are being built here which is employing American workers.

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I still own a 1974 Dodge Dart Swinger. Blue with a white vinyl top with the 318. It needs some work, but it's only got 88k for mileage on it and I've had it since I was 15. I'm semi-excited to see the new Dart, with a little bit of trepidation since I can't get the whole new Charger thing out of my head. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like the new Charger....but it just doesn't live up to the heritage of the old one. It certainly looks like a nice car from the pictures. Who knows? Maybe I'll have to have a 74 and a 13.

:cheers:

Justin

Have you seen the latest 2011 - Charger ?

Man, they are Killer looking ...

And the new SRT-8 Chargers have 475HP !

>>> Clicky <<<

Edit: They've added more photos to the page of the first link I posted in this thread ...

Gregg

Edited by GreyGhost

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Meh it looks like a modernized Neon.

I can't see myself buying anything American anytime soon. I don't understand why there's such a gap between American and Asian cars but there is. If I had to buy a brand new car right now it'd probably still be the Toyota Camry. Or something from Nissan. I haven't liked the looks or track record of anything Chevy, Ford, or Dodge pretty much since I was able to drive 16 years ago.

It's not a knock on the cars or the companies it's more a knock on the designers.

I understand the need to support American car manufacturers but when they only build crap it's hard to get behind. At least some of the Asian cars are being built here which is employing American workers.

Not going to knock Nissan since I have always had one, Tho do not understand what you mean by design specially when going back the years you have. My 94 Lincoln Continental has been one heck of a car to date. I still drive it daily to keep miles off my other vehicles. My wife got rid of her 94 Dodge Intrepid in 2003 and still misses it to this day, that was also one heck of a car.

American Vs Japan is pretty old to me and makes no sense when speaking cars, Now Motorcycles on the other hand, might have something to it.

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I've never known a late model American car that lasted much over 100k miles or didn't have severe flaws. With Ford you almost always had electrical issues. Dodge had body part/metal issues rusting far too fast. I've honestly not known anyone who had a Chevy anything aside from my dad had a giant Chevy van which I will say he had forever. It pulled our boat like a champ but he was always working on it as well.

The only current American cars that look great design-wise are Cadillacs. They've redone their brand and really done it well. Otherwise this retro kick isn't working for me.

If you had the choice between a Ford Escort, Chevy whatever, Dodge Neon or equivalent, or Toyota Camry, all used with around 200k miles you're always taking the Yota.

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I've never known a late model American car that lasted much over 100k miles or didn't have severe flaws. With Ford you almost always had electrical issues. Dodge had body part/metal issues rusting far too fast. I've honestly not known anyone who had a Chevy anything aside from my dad had a giant Chevy van which I will say he had forever. It pulled our boat like a champ but he was always working on it as well.

The only current American cars that look great design-wise are Cadillacs. They've redone their brand and really done it well. Otherwise this retro kick isn't working for me.

If you had the choice between a Ford Escort, Chevy whatever, Dodge Neon or equivalent, or Toyota Camry, all used with around 200k miles you're always taking the Yota.

I think what you are actually writing about is Car longevity.

In the case of your last sentence I would pick the car that shows the best maintenance, being garaged would be a plus, same with which has more time left on the smog sticker.

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We have a 96 Plymouth Grand Voyager with about 140K on it, my brother has a 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan with about 190K on it .. Neither of those two vehicles have had any major overhauls done and they are both running quite well ... My brother owned a Dodge Neon RT with nearly 200K on it as well and it was still in fine running order when he sold it off ... Treat a car well and they'll treat you well ...

Styling wise, I think Toyotas are some of the most boring on the road ... The only one I can honestly say I like the looks of is the Venza ... The Camry shouldn't really be compared to the cars you chose, it's a larger car than they are ...

Gregg

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I've never known a late model American car that lasted much over 100k miles or didn't have severe flaws.

Thats funny....

1992 Escort with over 120K miles...zero problems besides a worn ball joint...crashed by the second owner

1998 Ranger with 136K+ miles...no mechanical issues, still driven every day (my dad's Ranger)

2006 Mustang GT....106K Miles, still runs like a new car (my current car)

2010 Escape 66K miles....no issues either....(GF car)

I think you've been brainwashed into thinking Japanese cars are better, when they really aren't

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Thats funny....

1992 Escort with over 120K miles...zero problems besides a worn ball joint...crashed by the second owner

1998 Ranger with 136K+ miles...no mechanical issues, still driven every day (my dad's Ranger)

2006 Mustang GT....106K Miles, still runs like a new car (my current car)

2010 Escape 66K miles....no issues either....(GF car)

I think you've been brainwashed into thinking Japanese cars are better, when they really aren't

I hate to tell you this but close to half of any Ford product is made in Asia. It's a rare thing to see a Ford anything that has 50% North American content. GM will usually run about 65% U.S. & Canadian content. Chrysler is similar to Ford in Content. Ford actually makes about 30% of the parts they use, and of the other 70%, two thirds of that is made off shore (some say 70% of that). Just the nature of the beast. Warranty wise the best car ever made in the U.S. and often the best in the world is a Buick Lucerne (per Wards Automotive News which is the industry bible)

gary

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I have a 2004 Ford Expedition with 100K and zero problems.

I had a 1981 Mercury Cougar 4 door with a straight six and over 200K miles, but in all honesty when I rolled it over 200K the motor became plain worn out.

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Thats funny....

1992 Escort with over 120K miles...zero problems besides a worn ball joint...crashed by the second owner

1998 Ranger with 136K+ miles...no mechanical issues, still driven every day (my dad's Ranger)

2006 Mustang GT....106K Miles, still runs like a new car (my current car)

2010 Escape 66K miles....no issues either....(GF car)

I think you've been brainwashed into thinking Japanese cars are better, when they really aren't

a few years back I was over at a buddie's place to get some machine work done on some race car heads. There was a Dodge pickup truck in his driveway that was maybe five or six years old. He asked me how many miles I thought was on that truck? I guessed it at 120K miles (it had the 5th wheel hook up in the bed and I could see the the tires were not OEM. It had 756,000 miles on it, and half the time was pulling a large horse trailer! The lady that owned it was a large animal vet, and used it daily in her job. Marc was going to do a brake job on it and take a look at the clutch (OEM). I'd say she got her money out of it several times over

gary

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I got to see the New Dodge Dart in person yesterday, it's a very nice looking car ... Very refined looking ... It should do well in the market ...

Gregg

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The new dart looks very nice, the only thing that worries me is Alpha's woeful reliablity. Combine that with doge's already poor rep and it really makes me think twice about geting one.

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On the cover of the last Autoweek also with a spread inside. I still think it looks hideous and can't see myself ever wanting one.

The only American economy cars I think look good right now are the Chevys. Ford is OK but I owned a Ford... once.

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B, Ford has gotten alot better in last few years now that nost of the smaller models are designed by ford europe. I dont think i'd buy any of their new SUV's now that the are all unibody.

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B, Ford has gotten alot better in last few years now that nost of the smaller models are designed by ford europe. I dont think i'd buy any of their new SUV's now that the are all unibody.

If fords have gotten better in the last few years, they must be totally awesome cars, since the ones I had years gone by and now have been awesome cars :D

The 2003 Mustang I race now has been pretty impressive for the abuse it goes through, same could be said for my Dads 94 Cobra pace car.

I have been waiting for my 94 lincoln continental "beater' to die for over 6 years now, tho it keeps going and going it has over 150K on it, I am not exactly up and up on the maintenance of it anymore.

Edited by Wayne S

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I'ge had mixed luck with fords. The first one was an escort zx2 great little car..... until I crashed into godzilla mailbox. My second car was a mercury v6 mystake (mystic) total lemon, more issues than I care to list. Worst one being the v6 shoehorned into a space meant for a 4 banger caussing the dumbest engine bay layout I have ever seen.(seiriously you have to drop the engine to Change the alternator!!!!!)

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On the cover of the last Autoweek also with a spread inside. I still think it looks hideous and can't see myself ever wanting one.

The only American economy cars I think look good right now are the Chevys. Ford is OK but I owned a Ford... once.

I sat in a Chevy Cruze at the auto show, very unimpressed ...

Way to tight getting in and out, the B pillar is to far forward ...

It was actually easier to get in and out of the Volt than the Cruze ...

The Dart is a great looking car, the photos don't really do it justice ...

>>> Dart GTS <<<

Gregg

Edited by GreyGhost

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Honestly not a fan of the looks of the dart..I don't think I'd ever get one.

On the topic of automakers..I think Ford is getting better and better. I just wish they would make some of their European models available here. And I'd love to own a Focus RS..those things are crazy.

Reliability? I think Japanese cars have just as many problems- for the most part all the Japanese cars I've owned had something (then again, they are performance models and those always are a bit more trouble), my 1991 Nissan Skyline GTS-T was kind of a dog, but a fun car and my 2005 Subaru WRX STI is a great, awesome car, but it does require quite a bit of babying and a mindful eye kept on it.

Either way, cars are awesome..

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Honestly not a fan of the looks of the dart..I don't think I'd ever get one.

On the topic of automakers..I think Ford is getting better and better. I just wish they would make some of their European models available here. And I'd love to own a Focus RS..those things are crazy.

Reliability? I think Japanese cars have just as many problems- for the most part all the Japanese cars I've owned had something (then again, they are performance models and those always are a bit more trouble), my 1991 Nissan Skyline GTS-T was kind of a dog, but a fun car and my 2005 Subaru WRX STI is a great, awesome car, but it does require quite a bit of babying and a mindful eye kept on it.

Either way, cars are awesome..

Think that pretty much is my outlook on a lot of new cars. With the tolerances, materials and power per ltr one certainly must keep an eye on upkeep.

Instance, take an old slant six dart and the like, Back in them days a guy would not think twice about going to the gas station having the oil checked and chucking a qt in it. Now days, it would be nuts to do this, if the oil is low, it is telling you it must be changed. I am definitely a freak on doing oil changes with my mustang and even my nissan truck which is overhead cam.

Edited by Wayne S

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Not going to knock Nissan since I have always had one, Tho do not understand what you mean by design specially when going back the years you have. My 94 Lincoln Continental has been one heck of a car to date. I still drive it daily to keep miles off my other vehicles. My wife got rid of her 94 Dodge Intrepid in 2003 and still misses it to this day, that was also one heck of a car.

American Vs Japan is pretty old to me and makes no sense when speaking cars, Now Motorcycles on the other hand, might have something to it.

there is no gap between domestic and Asian automobiles unless it's created by a salesperson (well known to lie right to your face). Most technology comming out of Asia was stolen here and in Europe. If you all knew what went on behind closed doors, you crap out! The two top quality automobiles in the world are built here and in Japan. One cost about $43K and the other cost about $83K. Yet somewhere lost in that shuffle is another brand name that the $43K car is built off of, and on the same assembly line by the same folks. It usually runs in the mid $50K's.

gary

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I've never known a late model American car that lasted much over 100k miles or didn't have severe flaws. With Ford you almost always had electrical issues. Dodge had body part/metal issues rusting far too fast. I've honestly not known anyone who had a Chevy anything aside from my dad had a giant Chevy van which I will say he had forever. It pulled our boat like a champ but he was always working on it as well.

The only current American cars that look great design-wise are Cadillacs. They've redone their brand and really done it well. Otherwise this retro kick isn't working for me.

If you had the choice between a Ford Escort, Chevy whatever, Dodge Neon or equivalent, or Toyota Camry, all used with around 200k miles you're always taking the Yota.

funny you posted that. The last long term car I had went 226K miles, and was totaled in a crash that started a fire. It was made right here in the midwest. The car I have now is as tight today as it was when I picked it up at the dealership in 2009. It's so quiet that you need to crack the window to hear a siren. Get's about 30 mpg on the highway, and has never seen the first warranty issue. Is this odd? Well thinking back to the other six cars from that same brand I cannot remember ever a warranty issue. On the otherhand my son shows up in a pretty new Camery that was company owned. Very similar to my 2009. I asked him how he liked it, and he simply said it was second class to the car I have right now.

gary

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