zaxos345 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Good morning guys, searching to get some feedback of Alclad's new varnishes i found nothing that would include some photoes. So having ordered and received 3 of them i decided to make a test, like a review, and to present it, so that to get some ''image'' info. So i took my testing model, a F-4U1A corsair, my Badger Crescendo and the 3 ''suspects''.... First i sprayed White ensign's Olive Drab 41, thinned with Xtracolor thinners, after 1 day and light sanding with 8000 grid micromesh this is the result After that future was sprayed and left it dry for 5 hours ...to be continued John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaxos345 Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 ... Finally the three varnishes were sprayed, at 15 psi, 6-7cm from the model, 2 light misting coats. SEMI MATT MATT FLAT About the testing, all of them had dried in 10 min, no tucky feeling, photoes are without flash, just using some light background to show the texture. I will let them to totally cure in order to make a small ''party'' on them with different stuff. My humble opinion, the semi-matt one seems a bit more glossy than the other satin ones i have used. The matt one, i think that has a very good overall texture. The flat one is a dead matt, But this is my opinion, i will be waiting for your comments, at least now there is something to judge. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kei Lau Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 ... Finally the three varnishes were sprayed, at 15 psi, 6-7cm from the model, 2 light misting coats. SEMI MATT MATT FLAT About the testing, all of them had dried in 10 min, no tucky feeling, photoes are without flash, just using some light background to show the texture. I will let them to totally cure in order to make a small ''party'' on them with different stuff. My humble opinion, the semi-matt one seems a bit more glossy than the other satin ones i have used. The matt one, i think that has a very good overall texture. The flat one is a dead matt, But this is my opinion, i will be waiting for your comments, at least now there is something to judge. John John, thank you for sharing. Besides the convenience factor, how do you compare the results to the use of Future with Tamiya XF-21 "Flat Base"? Drying time? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaxos345 Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 Kei dont know that, i have not mix future with flat base yet! John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Did you spray them straight or with a thinner? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galileo1 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 What's the difference between Matte and Flat? Aren't both flat? Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBlue96 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Thank you for doing this and being so scientific about it. I've been wondering how the three compare. Will be looking forward to your updates as you put different "stuff" on them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
metroman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) It's Semi-Matte and then there's the Flat Matte, why they didn't name it Semi-Gloss I have no idea Edited December 16, 2011 by metroman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
metroman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) Spray them straight, clean up with LcqT Edited December 16, 2011 by metroman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-Neu- Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Sorry for this thread hijack... I've been trying out all different manners of flats and glosses, and I recently settled on using the new Alclad stuff. John, thank you for sharing. Besides the convenience factor, how do you compare the results to the use of Future with Tamiya XF-21 "Flat Base"? Drying time? Flat base really works with the overall properties of the paint or coat you're applying it with. So with future its basically the same as future. Personally I find the flat base pretty good, but its really tough to get a consistent finish. Its not easy to get the same ratios and it takes quite a bit of mixing to get a homogeneous mix. Its also easy to have a white residue. What's the difference between Matte and Flat? Aren't both flat? Rob Flat is DEAD flat... probably the flatest coat I've ever seen. You need to be careful not to apply too much, otherwise you start to get the slightest hint of chalky whiteness on the skin. Matte is less flat. If I had to compare it to something it would be like floquil's flat coat... there is a slight hint of sheen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collin Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I have shot all these new Alclad Klear Koats on the last three of my builds...gloss in prep for decals and post decals for weathering...semi matt/matt for the final coats. The stuff is terrific. The gloss is a ton more forgiving than Future, you can spray it on in light coats. By the time you finish coating the model once, you can go back and shoot a second since it dries quickly. No running, puddles or other issues like I have had with Future in the past. It's enamel based. I have used it as a weathering method, basically creating a dark/muddy flat wash and airbrushing it...works like a champ. And since it's flat, you can see the weathering effects right away. The post shading and stains under the engine and behind the spent casing ejection exits are the dark wash made with Alclad Matt: Post shading/gun stains, and exhaust stains all done with the same (maybe a tad darker) Alclad Matt dark wash airbrushed. Cheers Collin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaxos345 Posted December 17, 2011 Author Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) Guys, thanks for your constructive comments and feedback. -Neu my friend, you dont hijack anything, this is why i opened this thread, to comment, give new ideas and feedback from this new stuff. -Collin by sayin ''creating a dark/muddy flat wash'' how did you do it? What did you use to create this mix? I suppose that you used this mix instead of Tamiya smoke lets say!. Very good info by the way!! About the gloss one, some people complaint about being tucky even 2-3 days after the application, what is your experience about that? John Edited December 17, 2011 by zaxos345 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodney Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 John Thanks for posting this. I have both the gloss and flat. I've used the gloss one time and sprayed it as if it was normal paint. It stayed tacky for a week. Fortunately it was the cockpit and was not a loss but I have not used the stuff since. I'll have to try misting it on. What air pressure and distance from the model did you use to shoot the gloss? Thanks Rodney Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodney Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Collin What kinds of paint are you mixing with the Alclad flat (testers enamel)? Thanks Rodney Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collin Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) All: I make my wash by (in the case of the FW-190D), a few drops of Floquil enamel Dirty Black (bascially RLM66) with the flat base Koat. Then just sprayed like any other weathering. I have experimented with enamel buff colors for that type of dirty wash as well. Just make sure you mix enamel with this stuff... ask me how I know (when I clogged up my airbrush with acrylic paint/Klear Koat goo). Example....Just this morning I sprayed a coat of Alclad Gloss on this 1/72 stash P-51D, let it dry for about an hour (in a heated room where my boiler resides). Hard as a rock. Quick wash with Florey Dark Dirt...and then a few coats of semi-matt and matt. I was able to handle the model within a half an hour of the last matt coats. If I were using Future, I would still be waiting until tomorrow to let the Future cure. Edited December 17, 2011 by Collin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-Neu- Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 John Thanks for posting this. I have both the gloss and flat. I've used the gloss one time and sprayed it as if it was normal paint. It stayed tacky for a week. Fortunately it was the cockpit and was not a loss but I have not used the stuff since. I'll have to try misting it on. What air pressure and distance from the model did you use to shoot the gloss? Thanks Rodney I assume you're talking about the klear kote gloss? I also have that tackiness problem with it. I'm not sure misting will help that much, but its worth a shot. It also prevents future from adhering well to the surface (it beads it). There is Aqua gloss product, which I've heard rave reviews of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodney Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I assume you're talking about the klear kote gloss? I also have that tackiness problem with it. I'm not sure misting will help that much, but its worth a shot. It also prevents future from adhering well to the surface (it beads it). There is Aqua gloss product, which I've heard rave reviews of. Yes, I was referring to the klear kote gloss. Unfortunately, we can share our dissappointment. Hopefully misting it on is the trick. I'd hate to have wasted my money but Collin seems to be having success. What brand is this Aqua gloss? I've never heard of it. Thanks for the show and tell Collin. I'll have to try again but experiment on some sheet styrene first. What pressure and distance from the model did you use? Rodney Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) The Aqua Gloss is also Alclad. It is an acrylic gloss (obviously), and also is "recommended" as a protective coat for Alclad NMF, supposedly without reducing the metallic look. I tried it once and it does in fact reduce the metallic look, so it is not the panacea I had hoped for. I have seen equally good results with a thin coat of Future. Edited December 18, 2011 by DutyCat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scooter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I used the Alclad Klear Gloss yesterday.. Its been 36 hours and its still a little tacky in some areas. Am I correct to say that I need to wait a few more days before I can handle? OR If I spray (Testors) flat over the top, and the flat dries quickly, will it basically "dry" the gloss? Thanks in advance. Adam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DutyCat Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) I don't know why folks just don't use the Testors in the purple label, square bottles(glosscoat and flatcote). Thinned with lacquer thinner, the stuff works great. Been using it for years with no problems. And no, it doesn't yellow. Edited January 4, 2012 by DutyCat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G_Marcat_Italy Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 In the last two kit completed I do use the Alclad KLEAR KOTE MATTE. And I CAN'T TOUCH the models freely. If I use the bare finger, the fingers get sticked to the model. If I use a cotton glove is WORST because the at the distance the cotton's fibers get sticked on the model's surface. Few moments ago I was oblged to repaint a little section of the my last model in work becaus ethere was a unwanted dark dirty zone. I don't undestand the reason for this but I'm in alarm. The Alclad KLEAR KOTE MATTE became sticky in two cases. First time applied over the FUTURED model. But this time the problem is happened covering a model painted with the naturally GLOSSY XTRACOLOR's enamales. I have had similar problems using the common MODEL MASTER DULLCOTE but only when I have applied that paint using the BRUSH. I'm in trouble bacause I did purchase the ENTIRE LINE of Alclad'd MATT PAINTS..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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