Petarvu Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 This Eduard offering is a bit let-down. Old etched sets, old seat, little make-up in the cockpit ...I bought their MiG-29UB edition because of the cockpit, which is far better than only available old FM offering. For serious Fulcrum/Flanker fan with so much aftermarket available(accumulated) this Su-27 box for this price is really not much. Cheers P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I swear, modelers are super hyperbolic. Please, point out *where* Eduard *ever* claimed this is new tool? If you think/thought this kit was supposed to be new tool, that is your own fault. It was always known this is rebox of Academy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 It's not a new tool it's a retool..not sure where anyone t the idea it's an all new tool from. However academy are "retooling" there Older kits and the Flanker was supposed to get touched up similar to the F111. That means the sprue layout remains the same but improved parts. Really guys it's not that complicated.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 The only charming point for me the that resin cast mud gurad and ZSh-7 flight helmet, to be honest. All other accessories or decals could be gained from other brands as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ch9862 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Eduard is setting a bad practice to the Hobby with these overpriced kits. Not even a correct nose etc. Talking about Brassin, neomega pit is better than Eduards offering only Neomega provide sparse instructions to the pit (I m talking about Eduard mig-29). I agree with the general sentiment - Eduard adds details to other manufacturer kits, not corrections. And the prices are getting ridiculous - although SB had MiG-29A at a steep discount at one point, so maybe Flanker will go on sale, too. But I wouldn't condemn their Brassin line. I haven't seen most of their products, but I like what I've seen. MiG-29A cockpit has much better dimensions then NeOmega, and details are sharper. MiG-29 wheels are head and shoulders above kit / Wolfpack / FM. B8M launchers have the correct pylons, unlike QB items. My 2 cents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vesthepes Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) New tool, retool, whatever, they claimed an "upgraded months ago" academy, check the leaflet. Now you tell, what's upgraded, improved or at least new on that plastic, I would really like to know... Edited January 1, 2012 by vesthepes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I don't care what is claimed or not claimed. I believe that for the price it will be selling it is a "dead dog". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think Eduard should put all these short lived projects on hold and concentrate on the MiG-21 series. I think that the MiG-21F series will be one of their best sellers in that series or any of these Russian jet series. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChippyWho Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 It looks like Eduard fumbled here: drop-dead resin (sorry, 'Brassin') & p/e is nice, but does nothing to address the shortcomings of the Academy tooling. It would have been more sensible to supply corrected components and maybe the usual 'Profi-Pack' p/e stuff at a realistic price, with a simultaneous release of the Brassin bits as a separate upgrade. (I wonder how many more Brassin MiG-29 cockpits they would have shifted if they were packaged separately from the Eduard kit...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I think Eduard should put all these short lived projects on hold and concentrate on the MiG-21 series. I think that the MiG-21F series will be one of their best sellers in that series or any of these Russian jet series. Tooling a kit costs a lot more money than making PE or resin detail sets. Eduard won't tool a new kit until they are sure to be able to finance the development. It looks like Eduard fumbled here: drop-dead resin (sorry, 'Brassin') & p/e is nice, but does nothing to address the shortcomings of the Academy tooling. It would have been more sensible to supply corrected components and maybe the usual 'Profi-Pack' p/e stuff at a realistic price, with a simultaneous release of the Brassin bits as a separate upgrade. (I wonder how many more Brassin MiG-29 cockpits they would have shifted if they were packaged separately from the Eduard kit...) The only time when Eduard thinks about accuracy is when they are tooling an injected plastic kit. Again, Eduard does detailing sets, not correction sets (unless correction is cheap to do... cheap = PE). The later are done by companies like Quickboost or Russian companies (Neomega, Prop & Jet, etc). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChippyWho Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Tooling a kit costs a lot more money than making PE or resin detail sets. Eduard won't tool a new kit until they are sure to be able to finance the development. The only time when Eduard thinks about accuracy is when they are tooling an injected plastic kit. Again, Eduard does detailing sets, not correction sets (unless correction is cheap to do... cheap = PE). The later are done by companies like Quickboost or Russian companies (Neomega, Prop & Jet, etc). Maybe time to diversify! This would be logical, seeing as they have started producing resin items anyway...? Also, it would steal a march on the correction items you mention by providing a one-box solution, at a price point competing with an Academy+Quickboost+Whoever package. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Maybe time to diversify! This would be logical, seeing as they have started producing resin items anyway...? Also, it would steal a march on the correction items you mention by providing a one-box solution, at a price point competing with an Academy+Quickboost+Whoever package. I doubt it will happen. The idea that creeps in my mind when I read all Eduard's communication is that the company may be trying to educate the customers about what modelling is about. A good model is a model that is easy to build and very detailed. That's it. Accuracy is secondary because making correction sets wouldn't be cost effective: PE (least costly aftermarket to make) often won't help and the resin parts would often need be too big so too expensive to produce (example: Peruvian bird of the Su-17/22 rebox). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
designfriemel Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 First, Happy new year to ya all! The only charming point for me the that resin cast mud gurad and ZSh-7 flight helmet, to be honest. All other accessories or decals could be gained from other brands as well. +1 HAHA, my exact thought as well! As far as it concerns me Eduard has just lowered it's reputation again with another 'cheat' kit. @ Pep: Can't be marijuana in my view - u just don't get that trashed. Pointless, overpriced - nice one Eduard! As we say in german: "Herr, lass Hirn vom Himmel regnen!" "Lord, let it rain brain from the sky!" let's just wait for the HB kit - maybe Flankerman's 35 years prayers will be heard at last. rg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vesthepes Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I doubt it will happen. The idea that creeps in my mind when I read all Eduard's communication is that the company may be trying to educate the customers about what modelling is about. A good model is a model that is easy to build and very detailed. That's it. Accuracy is secondary because making correction sets wouldn't be cost effective: PE (least costly aftermarket to make) often won't help and the resin parts would often need be too big so too expensive to produce (example: Peruvian bird of the Su-17/22 rebox). Totally agree on that, accuracy is not what they are trying to achieve, but if you check the demands, at least on this forum, almost everyone would switch that cockpit or etch for a correct radome and canopy or at least some cans...So like fulcrum another useless reissue. As for the fitter it was my favorite eduard repack-but the praises go to KP/Kopro in that case I guess Well the last price offer for the flanker I received was 84EUR, which is at 55+euros for that resin inside which is absolutely not worth it, simple mathematics... Maybe Trumpy/HB will drop sth better, but then again I fear those multimillion rivet kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronald1903 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Am I correct that the Ukrain option is not realistic for this kit regarding the wrong Stinger? Ukrain Flankers (single) only have the old rounded style stinger, without the chaff/flare boxes I believe. Correct me if I am wrong. Ronald Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Am I correct that the Ukrain option is not realistic for this kit regarding the wrong Stinger? Ukrain Flankers (single) only have the old rounded style stinger, without the chaff/flare boxes I believe. Correct me if I am wrong. Ronald Some of them do, some don't - it depends how old the airframe is. I haven't seen the Ukrainian markings option in the kit, so can't say for sure if it is an early stinger or late. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Booga Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 It's bort 56 which is a late production Su-27P (31st series), so the big stinger is okay for this one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I'm downloaded instruction of Eduard model - its look like standard Academy sprues, with addition of resin cockpit and PE parts. Today i saw - there is stensil in the inbox decal, not absolutly full quantity, but all main position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twhite80 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I really wish Eduard would release their MiG-29 and now Su-27 cockpits as Brassin releases. I already have the Academy kits so buying a whole new kit is probably not in the cards. I bet I could be talked into buying a much needed resin upgrade for my Academy kits, especially that MiG-29UB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vesthepes Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 well you can check this for your fulcrum UB ... link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twhite80 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Looks good! The kit just needs so much help in the cockpit. well you can check this for your fulcrum UB ... link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I can swear i posted after Kotey today... What i said was that i compared between "retooled" Eduard boxing with standard Academy boxing, and i could not see any differences. I can imagine the nose might have been retooled, but it is hard to say. I don't see anything shockingly new in the sprue shots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vesthepes Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Ok, thanks for that, guess we were all pretty close about this repack. After all even the price dropped to 70euros... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChippyWho Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I really wish Eduard would release their MiG-29 and now Su-27 cockpits as Brassin releases. I already have the Academy kits so buying a whole new kit is probably not in the cards. I bet I could be talked into buying a much needed resin upgrade for my Academy kits, especially that MiG-29UB. My thoughts exactly: I've e-mailed Eduard with my usual sickening, sycophantic pleading and wheedling. (If that doesn't work, I'll dust off me baseball bat!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ch9862 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Looks good! The kit just needs so much help in the cockpit. Drifting away from Su-27 here, but be aware that FM/Karaya cockpit tub is undersized. To me Eduard new resin looks to have better dimensions at first glance. Eduard also makes separate seat, which does include cockpit tube (PE) - I haven't seen it in person so I can't comment on dimensions. I'd be interested to know how both of these Eduard cockpits compare against Aires. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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