mark31 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Hello,I have a A-4F and i want to make a A-4E from it. I know i have to delete the hump but are there other big difrences. Thanks Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 The only real external difference is the refueling probe, "F" bent "E" straight, the hump can be found on the "E" also, check reference of the a/c you want to build, all the parts should be in the box, assuming your building a Hasegawa 1/48. Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mark31 Posted January 2, 2012 Author Share Posted January 2, 2012 Thanks for fast reply I was thinking to do a agressor. Its 1/32 from trumpeter the kit was a gift from the girlfriend. And the kit is a F version. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 They were essentially the same. The A-4F had spoilers while the E did not. There were both types of RF probes on both the E and F's. All F's had the hump, some E's had humps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) "almost" all F's had the hump you also want to look at steerable nose wheel mechanism to see if you need it or need to trim it off Edited January 2, 2012 by Rex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) As a note, the plastic in the Trumpeter 1/32 E and F kits is identical. Only the decals are different. The kit only has the straight refueling probe, regardless of the boxing, and can be built both with and without the hump. Edited January 2, 2012 by Dave Williams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 All F's had the hump, Nope - humpless A-4F's were flown by the Blue Angels, several adversary units... Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theplasticsurgeon Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 A-4E Aggressor aircraft were without hump. As others have pointed out, you will need photo refs to get details like RF probe and nose steering pump right, but most kits have all the bits for either version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Red 56 is a very famous A-4F SuperFox in the first pic on the header of this article http://www.modelingmadness.com/others/features/17a4.htm , you can see the "bumped intake bulge" of the SuperFox intakes (it looks almost like a "dent" in the green paint, just behind the sand) that is a very nice looking build of the Hasegawa Scooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spejic Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 The E and the F had some very minor differences inside the cockpit that got even more minor (but not totally identical) once the E was reworked with the hump. E's and F's had different engines, if that engine that comes with the kit means anything to you. And while the E didn't have spoilers, there is a panel line on the wing in the same place they put the spoiler, so you don't need to fill anything in. Nope - humpless A-4F's were flown by the Blue Angels, several adversary units... Yeah, but those had the hump taken off. Every F had one to start with except the very early production ones, and they got humps very quickly. I mean, at least one M had its hump taken off as an aggressor, but I don't think anyone would say "most M's had humps". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Yeah, but those had the hump taken off. Every F had one to start with except the very early production ones, and they got humps very quickly. I mean, at least one M had its hump taken off as an aggressor, but I don't think anyone would say "most M's had humps". Some of them even had the hump taken off after they flew in their aggressor colors for awhile. I don't think Red 56 carried that scheme with the hump though but it may have carried the hump as an aggressor in another scheme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I only mentioned the Red 56 aircraft article to point out that "hump or no hump" is not the way to tell an A-4F from an A-4E Red 56 wouldn't have been flown in that scheme, with a hump,,,,,,because, as the author describes the process, the scheme was designed and then put on a SuperFox, not a Virgin Echo, Super Echo, or a regular A-4F Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 What hump? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I laughed out loud for real, Jennings "you ain't right, boy", as they say in your state, and in mine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Hegedus Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I only mentioned the Red 56 aircraft article to point out that "hump or no hump" is not the way to tell an A-4F from an A-4E Red 56 wouldn't have been flown in that scheme, with a hump,,,,,,because, as the author describes the process, the scheme was designed and then put on a SuperFox, not a Virgin Echo, Super Echo, or a regular A-4F Rex, that NFWS 56 was an E model (the author of the article you link to even says so in the text), as far as I can tell BuNo 150023. The MiG scheme is one of at least 7 that that airplane carried while assigned to TopGun. It apparently lost it's hump about the same time it gained the bent refueling probe, which was probably about the same time that it was transferred to TopGun from the Test Pilot School at Pax, March of 74. I've seen pictures of that jet at TPS and it had the straight probe and hump, but I've also seen a photo of it soon after it went to NFWS and the hump is gone and the bent probe is installed. The scheme it was wearing at the time was a 3-color upper camo of brown, tan, and light green over white or light gray (similar to the Israeli scheme) and it had side number 23 at the time. It picked up side number 56 sometime around 76 or so, and kept it until it left in about 89, when it went to VC-1 at Barbers Point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rex Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I have got to start reading slower,,,even after you mentioned it, I missed it again,,,,,,then, I caught it in the "other aircraft" part of his article I need to give some "super fox intakes" another squint at, too,,,,just to make sure I don't have a bunch mislabeled,,,,,,I'd swear that bump is visible,,,,when it plainly can't be in that pic if it isn't an F That is why we discuss this stuff, I guess,,,,,,,good thing I still consider myself a student, eh? Rex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mark31 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks for all the info. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Harold Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks for all the info. Mark You can get my bent refueling probe at Sprue: http://store.spruebrothers.com/132-ams-resin-a-4-skyhawk-correct-bent-refueling-probe-32029-p28551.aspx I have some going out this week. Cheers, Harold Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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