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hi comrades,

Good day to all!

I am new here and I would like to ask for your help on what is the most obvious conversion from a Mig-21 PF into a PFM model?

REfernces say it has a 23mm gun pod under belly but what more? Do I need to saw some edges, or add air scoops, aerials etc?

thanks for the help guys!

cheers!

Balalaika82

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* The PFM had a new cockpit with the KM-1 ejection seat replacing the SK of the earlier PF version.

* This also resulted in a new canopy, side hinged.

* The tail was broader.

* The brake parachute was relocated to the base of the fin from under the tail position.

* No internal gun, just a GP-9 container under the belly or missiles, bombs, UB blocks.

Best regards

Gabor

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You guys all missed the biggest difference - the PFM has blown flaps, the PF doesn't (except the very few PF/SPS built). That makes the flap hinge under the wing different. Early PFMs had the single piece canopy, later ones had the side hinged, so that's not a positive ID feature. Early PFs had the narrow chord vertical fin, later ones (also the Indian FL) had the broad chord fin.

A late PF/SPS and most PFMs are externally identical for all practical purposes.

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so that's not a positive ID feature.

The most positive ID would be a factory number of a particular aircraft. :D I would say that the side hinged canopy with the PF like spine, larger tail is far more noticable that the flaps and their operational system (on the underside of the wing) on a PFM. Do we want to go into all the particular details of every production block difference in the PF and PFM line. It is the same question as that of a transition from MiG-21S, SM, SMT, MFearly, mid and late production. There is no clear dividing line between them, there was a continuous development of systems and airframe so there is a considerable overlap between identifying features. One can make only general statements and the list I have given was just that for main VISIBLE features of the PFM in comparison with the PF.

balalaika82 was asking for very general differences. If I was him, would waite a little for the Eduard kit of the PFM if it is in 48th scale. Untill then there are few other kits on the market to spend the modelling time. . .

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Gabor

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That makes the flap hinge under the wing different.

Yes. To be more precise.

PF: small flap actuator coaming on the strip between the flap and the aileron; guiding rail on the fuselage

PFS and later: larger flap actuator coaming on the middle of the flap, overlaping the wing and the flap

Early PFMs had the single piece canopy, later ones had the side hinged, so that's not a positive ID feature.

The Aerofax said this but it doesn't make much sense to me. The Kubinka aerobatic team "early PFM" of the Bilek kit or Begemot decal sheet was an FL. For me the transition from single piece to two piece canopy happened during the production of the PFS. Distinguishing a late PFS and a PFM is the difficult part since the PFM had only small differences (IR tracker, different wheel brake system, some things like that).

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thanks comrades!

I was asking this because I have an old Academy 1/48th Mig-21 PF that is lying around.

I noticed that it has no cannons so I am thinking of modifying it into a PFM so I can use the GP-9 cannon but aside from it it looks like it has a lot more to upgrade like the tail rudder, flaps and the canopy.

any thoughts on whats the easiest, but least expensive way to do it?

Thanks guys!

Balalaika

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You cannot do a PFM with just a PF kit (if you had an MF kit, you could have used the front fuselage and canopy on the PF kit).If you want to use the GP-9 pod, you can build a Polish PF (Piotrek S could confirm but I believe that Poland modified some of their PFs to use the GP-9 pod) or an FL (Indian, Arab).

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Thanks LAurent and Netz!

Great help!

Im planning to do an Egyptian AF '21 Fishbed during the height of Arab Israeli conflict ('67-'73)

As mentioned above, would a Polish PF variant stand for the Egyptian MiG? Or should the EAF variant should remain without the GP-9?

I cant find ref photos of an EAF PF with a GP-9 gunpod :( All I have are MF ref photos.

Thanks again!

Balalaika

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Thanks LAurent and Netz!

Great help!

Im planning to do an Egyptian AF '21 Fishbed during the height of Arab Israeli conflict ('67-'73)

As mentioned above, would a Polish PF variant stand for the Egyptian MiG? Or should the EAF variant should remain without the GP-9?

I cant find ref photos of an EAF PF with a GP-9 gunpod :( All I have are MF ref photos.

Thanks again!

Balalaika

Look the 3rd profile on http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=209&Itemid=1 . That's not a PFM but an FL. Tom Cooper must have used a photographic reference for this profile.

The famous Indian FL C992 : http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Aircraft/Images/C992.jpg

Polish GP-9ed PF: http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6823/mig21c74.jpg from http://modelwork.pl/viewtopic.php?t=15055&start=71&sid=28d33d174e5d6349255eb1ed1cb173b6 (login required)

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Look the 3rd profile on http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=209&Itemid=1 . That's not a PFM but an FL. Tom Cooper must have used a photographic reference for this profile.

The famous Indian FL C992 : http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Aircraft/Images/C992.jpg

Polish GP-9ed PF: http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6823/mig21c74.jpg from http://modelwork.pl/viewtopic.php?t=15055&start=71&sid=28d33d174e5d6349255eb1ed1cb173b6 (login required)

thanks again LAurent!

hmm so i can use my GP-9 pod on my academy PF kit for replicating the six day war EAF mig-21 based on the 3rd profile?

Pardon me as I am only a fledgling ac modeller :D

Thanks! :cheers:

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hmm so i can use my GP-9 pod on my academy PF kit for replicating the six day war EAF mig-21 based on the 3rd profile?

So it seems but I don't know on what photographic evidence Tom Cooper based his profile.

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So it seems but I don't know on what photographic evidence Tom Cooper based his profile.

Honestly, unless there's a photo of the exact same a/c in the same book as the profile, I wouldn't trust it. Lots of his stuff is 100% fiction.

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