spaceman Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 Hello Friends of the Rings, as I already suspected, the tape roll was with approx. 21 m shorter than expected and therefore a deceptive pack. After 117 rings this was the abrupt end of the allegedly 25 m roll, whereby with a tank circumference of 182 mm (Ø 58 mm) unfortunately only a length of 21 m results. The rest of another role will probably be enough for the rest of the LH2 Tank , but certainly not for the LO2 Tank. Hopefully the reordered role will arrive soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) Hello everybody, it has finally been done! After a winding time of approx. 40 min. I was finally at the front end of the LH2 Tank, whereby now a 140 ring spiral is glued. These are indeed a few more rings than I had counted on my reference photo of the ET-8, but what the hell, my ET is lastly also an unique just like all other ETs flown ... Source: forum.nasaspaceflight.com (Jester) And as one can see, there is even some tape left on the reel, which is not enough for the LO2 Tank, which is why I have to wait now for the subsequent delivery. Therefore, I can now turn towards the recesses for attachments such as Ice Frost Ramps and PAL Ramps. Edited May 11, 2020 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slartibartfast Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Dang, dude. You're a beast. I'm too lazy to wind that tank so precisely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Come on, Bruce, don't make a fuss like that, you just have to want! Where there's a will there's a way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Underdog Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 21 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: Dang, dude. You're a beast. I'm too lazy to wind that tank so precisely. I'm not sure if Laziness is a major factor, but I am certain you're NOT the only one who is not willing to, "Tape the ET" - like Manfred has done. "It's what makes Mr. M different from the rest." "Every one of us is different in some way, but for those of us who are more different, we have to put more effort into convincing the less different that we can do the same things they can, just differently." ― Marlee Matlin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 Thanks Underdog, but you don't have to defend me, I took Bruce's post as a joke, what the hell ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikephilippens Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) On 5/12/2020 at 1:08 AM, spaceman said: Come on, Bruce, don't make a fuss like that, you just have to want! Where there's a will there's a way. Yeah...just have to want...like that's enough 😉 You have created a huge problem for anybody who's planning to build this Shuttle from now on (in fact I mean me...) I really like the level of detail you apply to your model, but I know I'm not going to the lengths you have. Although it's 'simpler' for others because you've done all the research and we 'just' have to copy it (like that's an easy job ). What you did and are going to do to the external tank is, to my knowledge, unique in the modeler's world. I've looked at every respectable build I could find to see how others did it and to see what's possible to get a good end result. But your 'flower method' and now the rings are making it so outstanding, I don't think I can build the thing without at least try to apply the rings too. If I don't, I'm afraid I'll always look at the model, thinking "If I only applied those rings like Manfred did". I know, because when I see another Shuttle builds where the tanks is 'just' painted brownish-orange, I think that it doesn't look as good as with the rings and the flower. That's not to say that they may be great builds, but you've just raised the bar to low earth orbit so to say. So, you've inadvertenly made our live harder...thanks for that! Now I'm afraid what you're going to do with all the tiles on the orbiter...very afraid Edited May 13, 2020 by mikephilippens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 Thank you Mike for your refreshing laudation, which honors me very much. But for heaven's sake don't bury your head in the sand now, but be brave and just try it out. When I had started, I also thought that I would never be able to scratch such kind of tiny crazy details as I saw in other guys' projects. But they inspired me, and so I tried it out little by little according to the well-known motto Trial and error, because only experience will make you smart, even if there have been failures that should not discourage you, never! But for many the effort is probably far too high, but as the saying goes - No sweet without sweat. Skill comes with practice, step by step! And then you will see, little by little, the successes will come along and push you forward. BTW, I'm nothing special and also can't go over the water ... In this sense, don't chicken out but be brave! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 Hello everybody, and with that I've now continued. The starting point was this photo of the ET-121 at the RTF mission STS-114, on which I already had determined the distances of the Ice Frost Ramps for the Airfix LH2 Tank, Source: NASA which I've marked as an orientation guide on the LH2 Cable Tray. On this I had provisionally attached 5 of the 14 Ice Ramps R23 (No. 1, 2, 6, 10, 14) as support points, through which I had threaded in the GO2 Press. Line (Ø 0,4 mm). For a more stable hold of this structure I fixed four ramps with tape strips, and then have marked the position of the remaining ramps one after the other, what was not that easy due to the instability of the strand. After I had removed the strand and put a ruler on the lower edges of the ramp markings, I was able to compensate certain differences in position and trace them. Then I've cut out the contact areas with the cutter and masked them with tape. Then all that was missing was cutting out and masking of the contact surface for the LH2 PAL Ramp, what's done here. Then I noticed that I had forgotten the last single Ramp (R25), which is circled in yellow in this image. Source: NASA And as it is, this darn thing actually fell out of my hand and onto the floor as a crowning conclusion when trying on, so that I was able to search again on all fours ... Luckily, I found the ramp again and was able to cut out and mask its contact area, all's well that ends well! Now are still missing the two individual Ramps (R24) for the GH2 Press. Line that can be seen in this image, Source: georgesrockets.com (George Gassaway) which here are threaded onto the Press. Line and can be marked. So much for today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crowe-t Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Manfred, Your ET looks incredible! I know how that feels when a part drops onto the floor. No matter how hard I try to see where it fell I always end up on all fours. Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Thanks Mike, I also like the ET more and more. Yeah, so are these damn tiny parts ... Forget it! And when I then crawl on the floor like this, my poodle Gino stands next to me and looks at me incredulously, as if he was waiting for me to bark too. Fortunately, the Newware kit includes some spare parts for emergencies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Underdog Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 hours ago, spaceman said: Manfred wrote: And when I then crawl on the floor like this, my poodle Gino stands next to me and looks at me incredulously, as if he was waiting for me to bark too. Maybe Gino was just trying to help, "dogs are smarter than people give them credit sometimes." The ET is coming along nicely! LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) Thanks Underdog, you are right, Gino is smart and also cool without end, and maybe he only wants to comfort me if he hears his master swearing with frustration, what he's feeling then ... Edited May 14, 2020 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crowe-t Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Manfred, Gino is adorable! Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Thanks Mike, I fully agree with you, he's giving us great pleasure. You can tell that you are very fond of animals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Underdog Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, spaceman said: Thanks Underdog, you are right, Gino is smart and also cool without end, and maybe he only wants to comfort me if he hears his master swearing with frustration. Manfred, Gino is a good looking Dude! Is he German by birth or French? We have two dogs in our family, Camo and Breezy. Camo is short for Camouflage, because of the way he looks. Both of them are rescued dogs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crowe-t Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, spaceman said: Thanks Mike, I fully agree with you, he's giving us great pleasure. You can tell that you are very fond of animals. I love animals! As you know I have 3 cats and I also feed a cat that lives outside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Great stuff you got going here, Manfred! It takes an incredible amount of patience to accomplish this. And I can almost feel the backache that this kind of work must bring about : ) Hey, I have a cat who loves scale models -- he delights in knocking them off the table to watch them fly maybe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 hours ago, The Underdog said: Manfred, Gino is a good looking Dude! Is he German by birth or French? We have two dogs in our family, Camo and Breezy. Camo is short for Camouflage, because of the way he looks. Both of them are rescued dogs. He was born in Kassel in 2011. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 hours ago, crowe-t said: I love animals! As you know I have 3 cats and I also feed a cat that lives outside. Then Joe's following post should be a warning for you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, crackerjazz said: Great stuff you got going here, Manfred! It takes an incredible amount of patience to accomplish this. And I can almost feel the backache that this kind of work must bring about : ) Hey, I have a cat who loves scale models -- he delights in knocking them off the table to watch them fly maybe? Thanks Joe, your feeling is unfortunately right, my back and eyes are starting to worry me slowly ... BTW, fortunately, Gino is not interested in my models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Hello everybody, today also the contact areas for the two R24 Ramps have been cut out and masked. There they are laying now and waiting for the jump - Woe !!! And since the additional delivery of the 0,75 mm Tape has arrived, I can now turn to the Barber Pole Spiral on the LO2 Tank, whose rings I counted some time ago whereby I came up to 66 Rings. And that's roughly the area in which the 12th Ice Ramp (R20) is located. The subsequent lighter area appears to be a specially applied Closeout which has no Pattern Texture. Source: forum.nasaspaceflight.com (Jester) Since everything has been clarified so far as, I can start gluing the Tape spiral tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaptKirk Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Hi Manfred. Sorry to hear that you have been battling with The Carpet Monster but very pleased that you won. Tank looks splendid and I'm looking forward to your progress on the LO2 tape spiral. Kirk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 Thanks Kirk for your compassion, but I have to fight with the Tile Monster, which has special pitfalls. While the tiny parts may stay lying down on the carpet, on the tile floor they jump anywhere, which makes me crazy because finding them again is rather difficult, sometimes even impossible ... Before I started with the LO2Tape spirale, I've once again checked the dimensions of the LH2/LO2 Cable Trays by using some photos and drawings, which are the same in the Newware Kit (0,75 mm x 1 mm), but in reality obviously not, but on this tomorrow more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) Hello everybody, starting point of my doubts about the correctness of some details of the otherwise very good kit was the diameter of the GH2/GO2Press. Lines, for which the enclosed Evergreen rods (Ø 0,5 mm) should be used. In reality both Press. Lines, however, have a diameter of 2'' (50,8 mm), whence in 1/144 scale a diameter of 0,35 mm results. Now one could be generous and do without the few tenths of a millimeter, but if, like me, you scale other parts on the basis of this reference dimension, this makes it noticeable already, especially since the proportions of such small parts should be consistent. That was also the reason why the enclosed Rectangular strip (0,75 mm x 1 mm) for the LH2/LO2 Cable Trays seemed a bit too big for me at first. Then I've remembered (ICD Drawings) on the website of George Gassaway, which includes also drawings of various Ice/Frost Ramps from the early LWT Era both on the LH2 Tank and on the LO2 Tank included. On this drawing of an Ice ramp on the LH2 Tank I determined the Cable Tray dimensions based on the existing dimensions, which with 0,7 mm x 0,9 mm actually correspond to those of the Newware Kit's Cable Tray. Source: georgesrockets.com (George Gassaway) So far so good! According to this drawing of an Ice ramp on the LO2 Tank the local Cable Tray should be a bit smaller, namely 0,5 mm x 0,75 mm, which initially surprised me. Source: georgesrockets.com (George Gassaway) That's why I wanted to know whether the Cable Trays on the ET-8 actually have different dimensions and check them. To do this, I first determined the width of the LH2 Cable Tray on my ET-8 reference photo at high magnification, for which I used as reference measure the diameter of the GH2 Press. Line (Ø 0,35 mm), which is 1,0 mm. Source: forum.nasaspaceflight.com (woods170) From the same photo I've determined the width of the LO2 Cable Tray, which is actually smaller and with 0,7 mm corresponds to the width from the drawing. Accordingly, I will use an Evergreen strip (0,5 mm x 0,75 mm) for the local Cable Tray. Afterwards I've turned to the Tape spiral on the LO2 Tank. First I've marked the end point of the spiral with the help of this drawing from the Newware Kit, which, as already said, should lay near by the front 12th Ice Ramp (R20), where the spiral should end. At this marking I've glued an end ring, so to speak as a finish line!!! And then I've put on my headset magnifier and have flung myself with desperate courage into the Barber Pole Action again. Here is the spiral after 10 rings, after 20 rings, after 40 rings, as well as after 50 rings. And here the goal is reached and I could finally stop. Here I have threaded the first of the 12 Ice Ramps (R20), whose position I will mark next and then mask them. Edited May 20, 2020 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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