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WTF???!!! 

WOW ... I don't visit ARC for a few days and I missed this news?

But really Manfred ... you've been at this build, putting all kinds of mental effort and expending all kinds of creativity, I'm not surprised you'd like a break from this.

 

But this story ... it's pretty elaborate and well ... yes, I suppose it's possible .. but-t-t ... :whistle:

You could have just said that you're taking a lo-o-ong break from this effort of yours. Honestly, we would all understand!  :thumbsup:

 

 

 

But Seriously ...  I hope I didn't make you laugh ... and as a fellow old man, I really do understand how fragile us old guys have become.

30 years ago we would have just bounced ... but these old bones just don't have the same flexibility that they used to.

 

Take all the time you need my friend! Yes, we will ALL have some withdrawal symptoms but we'll hope you have no complications and that everything heals perfectly ... 

 

Enjoy these Summer months and ... don't worry about US ... we'll be just fine!  :thumbsup2:

 

Pete   ( I hope all of this translates well and you know that I'm just kidding, Manfred!      :kissing2: )

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Goodness!  Glad to hear hear you weren't injured more seriously.  As a fellow old man, you have my sympathies.  You might want to visit a doctor to make sure your wrist isn't fractured.

 

Enjoy your "vacation".

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smiley251.gif  Pete for your well meant encouraging words.  abklatschen.gif 

 

A little bit of fun must be, and this is what I can need now, therefore laugh if it's not enough to cry ... smiley228.gif

 

It could have been ending much worse, but luckily my guardian angel was wide awake by my side ... smiley252.gif

 

Since it will take a while for the bruise to go away, I just have to be patient, but that's not a problem for me, as you know ... :whistle:

 

As a result, I now have enough time to deal with some Airbrush basics ... up040577.gif

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smiley251.gif Bruce for your sympathy and the good wishes.

 

My wrist is a bit colorful, but otherwise okay so far,

 

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only the bruised rib is rather uncomfortable, smiley_worship.gif  but the pains also will pass ... up040577.gif

 

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OMG!!😲

 

Sorry to learn that you hurt yourself..... Manfred...

 

Wish you speedy recovery & take care.

 

You are one of the expert member in Shuttle modelling here for detailing, keen eyes and innovative ideals how to accurize the Shuttle stack more realistically.

Guess I am learning from you now.

 

Cheers,

George  

 

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Thanks my friends for your compassion and good wishes. up046068.gif

 

I'm glad I didn't step on my glasses ... smiley_worship.gif

 

Meanwhile I know about rib bruises, because this is my third stunt in the last 25 years, but now it's enough ... up040577.gif&key=37940a736477cc130c2717d

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Hello everybody,

 

after I'm feeling a little better again, I want to get back in touch today and draw on my recent conversation with my friend Heinz Wagner, which first focused on the required consistency of Vallejo paints, which are to use for the Airbrush technique. cool.gif

 

As I have learned in the meantime, it depends on the correct use of language, whereby in his opinion you have to differentiate between sprayable and ready-to-spray, what is not the same and is often confounded. rolleyes.gif

 

While the Model Air paints from Vallejo were specially developed for the Airbrush technique and are basically sprayable, the Model Color paints were specially developed for the Brush technique and are therefore much thicker, which one should know and also note.  up045518.gif However, this does not mean that Model Color paints are unsuitable for airbrush technique. One only has to dilute them accordingly so that they achieve the required consistency and can be applied with a spray gun. 

 

Therefore one should check the viscosity of the respective paints before each spraying, regardless if Model Air or Model Color is used, and dilute them if necessary with Vallejo Thinner, so that they are ready-to-spray, which can be tested with the Heinz Wagner Method already described. top2.gif

 

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Source: Airbrush beginners course, CD (Heinz Wagner)

 

But already at the name of the Vallejo Thinner one can start to ponder because one can find four different data for one and the same article as one can find on the Vallejo-Website, which is available in four different bottle sizes as required, but what you need to know: shocked.gif

 

71.261 (17 ml)
71.061 (32 ml)
71.361 (60 ml)
71.161 (200 ml)

 

Accordingly, a correct mixing ratio between paint and thinner is crucial for ensuring the ready-to-spray consistency of a paint. top.gif And that is evidently the crux of the matter, especially since there  is no patent remedy for it, but only empirical values that one can believe or not ...  hmmm.gif

 

Therefore, one should not trust a mixture ratio that one has not tested himself and found to be good, based on the famous quote: Do not trust a statistic that you have not falsified yourself. 00000016.gif 

 

For example, by Vallejo a ratio of 1:3 (Thinner to Paint) is recommended for the dilution of their Model Air series, but what can never be right according to my current level of knowledge, to be able to spray these paints easily.  eek.gif

 

And also the filling up the Vallejo dropper bottles with Thinner, as it was recommended in the video by Jens Kaup in Posted April 4, 2019 does not have the desired sustainable effect. rolleyes.gif

 

As one can see in the following image, the dropper bottle Model Air (71.130), filled up with Thinner a year ago using this method, is not ready-to-spray, which is clearly proved by the too small color point < 11 mm, when using the Wagner Test. smiley_worship.gif An airbrushing with this paint would inevitably clog the spray gun, which is why one shouldn't even try it.   nono.gif

 

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About this I recently spoke with Heinz Wagner, who has not been wondered at my initial failings. huh.gif 

 

In order to get a feeling for a reasonably "normal" airbrushing at first, he initially recommended a mixture ratio of 1:5 (Paint to Thinner), which results in a much thinner, but therefor a ready-to-spray paint, what is indicated by the larger color dots (right) promisingly. up045518.gif

 

So I should first carry out the exercises described on his Airbrush CD and remember to occasionally clean the nozzle cap with Vallejo Airbrush Cleaner to avoid cloggings effectively. 

 

Although I didn't take it that seriously at first, it seems to me that it is absolutely necessary and helpful for becoming more secure. However, the paint seemed to me to be a bit too thin, which is why I once tested a mixing ratio of 1:3 (Paint to Thinner), which led to a color point of Ø 13 mm, what suits better in my opinion. top.gif

 

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And with this mixture ratio I will now carry out some exercises. up040577.gif

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I always love how fantastically scientific you are about approaching your modelling, Manfred.

 

I contrast it with the "bung a few more drops of thinner in and fiddle randomly with the pressure" relationship that I have with my airbrush and it explains why I never know if I'm going to get a splattery mess or 5 minutes of half-decent painting, whereas you have predictable consistency 99% of the time.

 

Glad you are showing what I should be doing.

Ah well.

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My goodness, you're already back onto this project?? ... That's WONDERFUL!! You heal very quickly!

 

I'm like Captain Kirk, I just adjust the thinner and paint till it flows correctly. To me, it's like following a recipe for making Soup, The recipe calls for such and such an ingredient, but I'll put in this and that. It may call for 1/2 teaspoon of Salt, but, after tasting it, I may adjust it and put in 2 teaspoons of Salt.

 

With Paint, my air pressure stays constant but I will adjust the ratio of Paint and thinner till the Airbrush is happy! Running it through the Airbrush is the only good test ...

 

I hope your bruises are healing up nicely Manfred!

Enjoy the time off ... I hope the kids are doing all the yard work, the Grandkids are taking YOU for a walk! ... the wife is making your favourite desserts ... enjoy it ALL!  :clap2:

 

Pete

 

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Manfred,

I've been away from the forum for about a little over a month. Logged-on today and read

about your ordeal. I'm convinced we are all grateful that your injuries will heal with time.

The misstep and fall could've been a lot worse, hoping you the best and getting better!

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I just saw this post, here on ARC, in the Tools and Tips forum ... about Vallejo paint and Airbrushes ...

 

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/313811-my-how-to-airbrush-vallejo-model-air-color-instructional-guide/

 

It's got some good info Manfred!

Pete

 

 

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On 7/16/2020 at 10:08 AM, CaptKirk said:

I always love how fantastically scientific you are about approaching your modelling, Manfred.

 

I contrast it with the "bung a few more drops of thinner in and fiddle randomly with the pressure" relationship that I have with my airbrush and it explains why I never know if I'm going to get a splattery mess or 5 minutes of half-decent painting, whereas you have predictable consistency 99% of the time.

 

Glad you are showing what I should be doing.

Ah well.

 

Thanks Kirk, bow.gif

 

if one has always worked as a scientist, one has these rules of thoroughness and reproducibility in the blood forever. top.gif

 

And as I said, I have absolutely to be on the safe side when airbrushing my ET. up040577.gif

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On 7/16/2020 at 11:37 AM, K2Pete said:

My goodness, you're already back onto this project?? ... That's WONDERFUL!! You heal very quickly!

 

I'm like Captain Kirk, I just adjust the thinner and paint till it flows correctly. To me, it's like following a recipe for making Soup, The recipe calls for such and such an ingredient, but I'll put in this and that. It may call for 1/2 teaspoon of Salt, but, after tasting it, I may adjust it and put in 2 teaspoons of Salt.

 

With Paint, my air pressure stays constant but I will adjust the ratio of Paint and thinner till the Airbrush is happy! Running it through the Airbrush is the only good test ...

 

I hope your bruises are healing up nicely Manfred!

Enjoy the time off ... I hope the kids are doing all the yard work, the Grandkids are taking YOU for a walk! ... the wife is making your favourite desserts ... enjoy it ALL!  :clap2:

 

Pete

 

 

smiley251.gif Pete for your good wishes and for the interisting linked post about Vallejo paint and Airbrushes.

 

Yeah, practice makes perfect, which is why I'm going to do some exercises ... top.gif  I'm using a Triplex Gun with a 0,3 mm nozzle at a pressure of 2 bar. 

 

But I prefer to test the sprayability of the Valejos beforehand using the Wagner method, which one can rely on. up040577.gif

 

BTW, there are some problems with my shoulder though, as my family doctor had initially suspected ... hmmm.gif

 

 

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On 7/16/2020 at 7:21 PM, The Underdog said:

 

Manfred,

I've been away from the forum for about a little over a month. Logged-on today and read

about your ordeal. I'm convinced we are all grateful that your injuries will heal with time.

The misstep and fall could've been a lot worse, hoping you the best and getting better!

 

Thanks Underdog for your sympathy and good wishes. bow.gif

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Hello friends,

 

first a short health update. 8) After the complaints shifted more towards the shoulder, I went to a specialist once again, s-krank-alterarzt.gif who has sent me to the MRI check to clarify the indication of a Rotator cuff lesion. hmmm.gif

 

The radiologist interpreted the scans, among other things as laceration of the supraspinatus tendon (transmural anterior defect, 1.0 by 1.0 cm).  In addition, another tendon (Subscapularis), the local Bursa, and the Biceps muscle are inflamed.

 

If interested, this image shows the muscles/tendons of the Rotator cuff.

 

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Source: sportsinjuryclinic.net

 

"Just" a rib bruise, My eye! - as it was initially said by the family doctor, smiley_worship.gif Nobody is perfect!

 

What that means I will hear next Thursday ... I just hope that I can get around an operation. smiley215.gif

 

But now back to the Vallejos. I was interested again in the consistency of the re-ordered Model Air paints, which I therefore tested with the Wagner method. top.gif

 

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As one can see, the diameters of all three color points are below Heinz Wagner's critical limit of 11 mm and should therefore not be ready-to-spray. nono.gif

 

As a result, one would have to dilute it by adding Vallejo Airbrush Thinner to avoid clogging the nozzle. In any case, I now know how things stand, what is very helpful already. up040577.gif

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Hi Manfred,

 

Keep us updated on your shoulder.  Hopefully you will be OK and not need an operation.

 

I have an Iwata Eclipse Airbrush which has a .35 mm nozzle.  I also bought a .5 mm needle/nozzle for it which works better with acrylic paints and lacquers.  I had some problems spraying acrylics with the .35 mm nozzle.

 

If you can get a .5 mm needle/nozzle it should help a bit with the clogging.

 

I also found that the thinner to paint mixture is dependent on the weather and humidity.  Some days the acrylics spray great and on humid days they clog the airbrush tip. 

 

Mike.  

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Thanks Mike for your good wishes, bow.gif and keep your fingers pressed. JC_doubleup.gif

 

Maybe I should get a 0.5 mm Nozzle set for my Triplex from Heinz Wagner and try it out. up040577.gif

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Hello friends,

 

last Thursday I was with the doctor who had referred me to the MRI.  rolleyes.gif After looking at the CD, he said that it was a complete rupture of the Supraspinatus tendon close to its enthesis, what has rather sobered me up. smiley_worship.gif

 

He then has explained the conservative and surgical therapies to me, leaving the decision up to me, as well as the offer to get a second opinion. hmmm.gif

 

He showed me the recommended Shoulder arthroscopy, possibly with a seam of the Rotator cuff, on the model and in a schematic video, which looked relatively harmless and remembered my knee arthroscopies. huh.gif

 

That would mean 1-2 days in hospital and then wearing a Shoulder abduction splint, for about 6 weeks, analintruder.gif including physiotherapy ...   

 

Although I initially agreed to the operation, I've started now mulling over it again, especially since I now have hardly any complaints and can actually move my shoulder as before. smiley215.gif 

 

However, the doctor pointed out that the torn tendon would gradually shrink, so that later one could not operate it this way, what one can believe it or not. noidea2.gif 

 

What also made me wonder was his statement that I could still take my time with the operation and that September/October would still be okay ...

If one then considers yet that the doctors in Germany often recommend an operation far too quickly these days because one can earn a lot with it, I'm actually on the verge of getting a second opinion from another shoulder specialist.  hmmm.gif

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Thanx for this update Manfred. 

I do hope the mobility of your shoulder remains good.

It may not require surgery, and active usage, physiotherapy, may suffice ... but I'm sure that you'll give the possible surgery as much thought, and research, as you give to this hobby.

 

I wish you the BEST in your decision!

Pete

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Manfred,

 

Thanks for the update!  I'm sure you will make the right decision and take your time getting the right advice.  Please keep us updated and continue to feel better.

 

Mike.

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Mafred, take good care of your body. You're working on this project since 2012, so 8 weeks are nothing compared to that. Even more so if it affects your health and quality of life.

You'll get a good opportunity to study some more material and maybe discover more ways of improving the model even more (is that even possible?).

 

Take care and speedy recovery!

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