spaceman Posted May 3, 2017 Author Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) Hello everybody, since now only are missing the cameras, as well as the railings and gutters, etc., which still can wait, I now want to take a closer look at the side walls, because there are also some nice details that should not be missing. Let's look at the Side 2, where there are some inconsistencies in David Maier's Paper Kit touching his CAD Design, that contains some details that do not fit to MLP-2 and therefore need to be corrected. Here first this picture of the Side 2 of my MLP. This side is admittedly numbered in the first and last Bay with Nr. 2 for MLP-2, which, on closer inspection, contradicts some details of the original. This red-rimmed three-fold kink of the two thin pipes above the LOX lines there is only on the MLP-1, which can be seen in the following picture. Therefore, David M. obviously must have confused the MLP numbers, whyever, because otherwise I can not explain. Source: NASASpaceFlight.com (NasaPhotographer, STS-116) This typical route of the two pipes in the middle does not match the MLP-2, as can be seen in the next picture. Both on MLP-2 and MLP-3, these two pipes have only a double kink, which is not in the side center, but further to the left in the Bay 13, whereas the three-fold kink on the MLP-1 is clearly to the right of this interface (Bay 9-11). Source: NASA (STS-115) David M. also has some reference photos in his Paper Kit documentation. The curiosity about the thing is that the only reference photo of the Side 2 comes from the MLP-3, whereby the double kink here is unfortunately hidden by the service platform. Source: NASA Therefore it would have been better, if the master had used the MLP-3 as a template, especially since his LC39-Paper Kit is based on the STS-135, on which MLP-3 was used. Then his CAD design would have been self-consistent and Launch Pad and MLP would get well together. But be that as it may, one only needs to know and take into account for the construction, which is why I simply let this false triple kink disappear and will mount these two pipes with the double kink in the right place. Fortunately, I have made some copies of the side walls, and there are also some sheets with backup parts in the Paper kit, among others also with neutral gray bays, as one can see here, which I have used. Since some bays on the side because of the slight reddish color anyhow were not to my liking, these parts for the Bay Lifting come just right, since they fit quite well from the color to the remaining side. Now I have to cut off only suitable parts for the corresponding bays and thereby to redecorate, with which I have already begun here. And so I'm hopeful that I can give this side with a better outfit. Edited May 8, 2017 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 Hello everybody, after a little art break, it can now go on now, but therefor a little more detailed. Here is an image of the Side 2 after the recent modification of some bays with some "new wallpapers". Now the disturbing triple kink is eliminated, but as it has turned out, it is not done with it, because on closer inspection, I have also noticed other things that are exactly related to this triple kink and finally explain its strange constructive execution, which is completely mystery to me. The reason for my research was initially the fact that the Side 2 still did not really please me, especially since the two thinner pipes and this little red circled box on the frame in the Bay 13 seem sit too high. Moreover the marked supports on the right (Bay 3-8) have too big shadows, and as I wanted to scratch the supports anyway, they should then cast their own shadows. That's why I did still some ancestral research and have looked at my few old reference pictures from the Side 2 at times of the STS-6 and afterwards, but they don't show enough details because they are simply too fuzzy. And the awesome HiRes NASA or Street View panoramas from the past few years unfortunately do not help, but only clarify the dilemma with which I must necessarily live with during my Real Space Scratching of my models. Meanwhile, I'm a bit smarter and I know that I can also redecorate this box on the frame in the Bay 13, as there was no such equipment at the MLPs during the first shuttle years, but instead a different typical detail on another place. A first clue for this was the shot from Challenger's Rollout for the STS-8 (1983), which at first glance seems less exhilarating, because one can hardly see any details on the Side 2. Therefore, I would like to draw your attention directly to this encircled hutch, which later inter alia can explain the position and shape of the triple kink on Side 2 of the Paper Kit. In the linked HiRes resolution one can see this somewhat larger box in the Bay 10 more clearly, and the practiced eye can also recognize the double kink of the two pipes on the left even though only hazy. Source: spacefacts.de And here is a shot of the STS-6 from the NSF Forum (Ares67), which shows on the left side of the picture that this box above the two thinner pipes at that time already had existed, actually logical, since both missions are only a few months apart. Source: NASASpaceFlight.com (Ares67) In the course of these findings, I have recollected to images from the Side 4, on which I had noticed a similar box, which can be seen in the following image section from the Lift-off to the STS-6 and that it has oblique supports. After my overview so far, there were these boxes at the MLPs at least until the end of the 80s, as one can see on this picture from the Rollout of the Discovery on the MLP-2 for the STS-29 (1989). Source: spacefacts.de Since these middle boxes are not available in the Bay 10 in the paper kit, I can now adjust myself to this and can omit these other boxes in the Bay 13 and the triple kink of the pipes (Bay 9-11) with clear conscience. But now still to the elucidation of the location of this triple-kink in the paper kit, which is indeed on the Side 2 of the MLP-1. The reason for this becomes clear very quickly from this image of the Rollout of the Columbia to the STS-1, although I had to evaluate lots of images. But from the STS-1, there are luckily most of the images you can find in the KSC-Media-Archiv. As can be seen in this picture, earlier this box was sitting there, around which the pipes were installed. I suspect that it could be a kind of Firex water tank, because you can see a red pipe on the right, which would speak for it. Source: NASA These boxes were later dismantled on the MLP-1 (red circle), as can be seen in the image of the STS-79 (1996). And since then there is in the Bay 13 instead this box on the frame (green circle), which is existing in the paper kit on both sides, but for the MLP-2 they are absolutely wrong there. Source: NASA For the sake of completeness, it should be mentioned that the old boxes on the MLP-2 were also sometime dismanteled and replaced by the boxes on the frame, as shown in this picture of the STS-115 (2006), which was then also freshly painted. Source: NASA And now I come to the great photos of the MLP-2 from John Duncan from the year 1998, which I actually wanted to use as standard reference photos for the further detailing of the side walls. Since it is soon time to deal with the "roof"gutters, which are interrupted several times, I have numbered the Bays on the Side 2 for better orientation, since I do not always want to count them again for myself. I can still use these images well for scratching, since one can see the details of the pipes and the supports very beautifully. Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) I just have to keep in mind that I have to omit the box with frame in Bay 13 and mount the old box in the Bay 10. And finally there are still some small things that I need to correct on this occasion on the Paper Kit side walls, of which more later. After seeing things a bit clearer and having penetrated through David Maier's MLP confusion, I feel immediately more comfortable again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 Hello folks, I want only briefly tell you that I had a good nose with my guess regarding these boxes. As I have discovered in an isometric representation of the MLP-1, Fire Hose Reels were in these boxes. After dismanteling the old boxes, these hose reels were then mounted directly on the top deck, which were connected by a thin tube coming from the side wall (Bay 10), as can be seen in this image. Source: NASA And here is the matching panoramic shot of the later MLP-2. Source: NASA Bye for now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modeler7 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 "After all the amazing construction of the launch pad, Manfred couldn't replicate the hot dog wrappers in the bottom of the trash can he built from scratch......" The main reason I have been watching this build for literally years is it is so inspiring to know you can do anything you want if you just be patient and refine your skills. Thanks for letting us view this incredible build. I will continue to tune in. I still say you need to be looking for a great museum for long term loan of this work of art. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 Hi Modeler7, and thanks for your nice compliments. I know you're doing it just for the hell of it, and fun must be! But joke aside! Meanwhile, I trust myself a lot, and have also scratched some crazy things, if they were interesting as well as technically relevant and typical for my project. Therefore, the trash can would not be a problem, but unfortunately such stuff don't belong to the standard equipment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 Hello everybody, before it goes on with the side walls, here still an appropriate image of the washing and cleaning crew during the Pad Washdown with the long hose from the hose reel to remove the traces after an ordinary start. Source: NASASpaceFlight.com Forum (padrat) But this was always routine work for the pad guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 15, 2017 Author Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) Hello everybody, it went on with the Side 2, here is an intermediate step with the redecorated left half, and here the somewhat harmonized and now almost "new" side, which I like much better now. And on this image the details can be seen, which are now/again to be attached. These are beside the box, the pipes and supports, the three rain gutters with downspouts, whereby the angled, oblique tube at the end of the side (Bay 16-17) is not present in the paper kit. This is due to the wrong MLP-1 version of David Maier, which I will not go into, where this downspout does not exist. On the Side 2 of the MLP-2, there was this downspout from the beginning, how also in the STS-115 can be seen in the next image. In the Bay 17 are still the red ports for the purge lines of the Orbiter's Environmental Control System (ECS), on which the thick red hoses of the Mobile Portable Purge Unit (MPPU) are connected, which should be placed there as a connector. Source: NASA And beneath there are the four Instrumentation Interface Panels, which I will try to get a little bit sharper than the ones from the Paper Kit, Source: NASA whereby I'm favourably impressed by this cable jumble during the MLP cabling on the pad again and again. Source: NASA And now to the Side 4, on which there are also some things (marked in red) that should be corrected. First of all, there is the box on the frame in Bay 13, which is wrong there and is omitted, but for which the old box is mounted in Bay 10. And then I must unfortunately dismantle the two lower Pneumatic Vent Mufflers, because they did not exist yet during the STS-6, as I have only now noticed what one can see in this image of the STS-8, which was launched four months later. Source: NASASpaceFlight.com Forum (Ares67) But either I build my pad after the historical original, or I let it be, and therefore they must be removed, whether I like it or not. At the beginning, I naturally confided in the correctness of the design in David Maier's Paper Kit and reproduced the details, especially since I had neither special detail knowledge nor useful reference photos of the STS-6. Today, however, I have a pretty good overview, and so I noticed when studying the fantastic threads of the early missions by Ares67 that the MLP numbers in the kit, especially on the Side 4 do not sit in the right places, but rather where I have drawn them (green). Almost, I wanted to take over these identifiers from the STS-8, but then I still have discovered an image of the STS-6, which shows, that the rear identifiers of the STS-6 looked differently. It was this image here, on which the front identifier is concealed, but for this the end of the page is to be seen, on which one would be able to recognize something perhaps with a corresponding zoom, I thought at least. Source: NASASpaceFlight.com Forum (Ares67) And I was lucky, because that is indeed the case, as you can see on this image. There one can hardly see yet, that the rear identifier is not completely placed in the Bay 18 but in the Bay 18 (red circle). However, because there is little space, due to the the pipe support and the crossbars on which it sits, the 2 is above the lower strut, and the identifier Side 4 beneath it. At the same time, it can be seen that there were only the two upper Vent Mufflers (blue circle). And thus I can also consider and correct this disagreement. And finally, I've still tried, wether the Instrumentation Interface Panels can still be improved, wherefore I have copied them from the Street View shot of the MLP-1 and reduced it to 1:160. And that should be quite possible, I think. Edited May 15, 2017 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K2Pete Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 And here I thought that you were finished with the MLP's side panels ... and yet, you're finding more and more corrections to make. Your attention to detail, Manfred, is most remarkable and this build should be shared on modelling sites, not just those that feature Real Space. We are all learning a great deal about how to build an accurate miniature from you. Thank you! Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share Posted May 19, 2017 Thanks Pete for your continued interest and your nice compliments. I have to take it as it comes. Not only Revell's Launch Tower Kit has a lot of bugs, but rather David Maier's Paper Kit is unfortunately also not quite perfect, which doesn't make things easier, but let's grin and bear it! BTW, as I've said, either I build my pad after the historical original, or let it be - To be, or not to be, that's here the question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 Hello everybody, here comes at last the next update. But in the implementation of the latest ideas and details, new questions emerged, which I had yet to pursue, in order to clarify their structure. Therefore, in sequence, and thus first to the Interface Panels at the end of the Side 2, which looked as in this image using the template from the Paper Kit. And now these are the panels taken from the MLP-1 (Street View) and scaled, which look a little clearer, and also at the MLP look quite well, at any rate better than the previous blurred paper Kit panels. And so to the next details in Bay 17, the red indicated ports for the ECS Purge lines, which I wanted to scratch by simple round bars with red caps. However, on closer inspection, it can be seen clearly that these ports consist of through-sleeves, in which are the connecting sockets of the purge lines, at which the red ventilation hoses of the MPPU are linked. Source: NASA (Street View) After some consideration, I remembered the wire end ferrules already used for the lampshades. And these are not only available as pure metal sleeves, but also with plastic sleeves, which can be easier cut off to the required lengths than the metal sleeves. And as a result of my usual scaling, I have come to the following sleeve types, whose diameters would fit perfectly, into which then the matching connecting sleeves made of round bars are glued and red caps are painted. Later, it goes on with the reconstruction work on the Side 4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crowe-t Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Manfred, there are no pictures showing in this new post. Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hi Mike, very strange, which I can not understand. My son has just confirmed that he can see all six images, both with Google Chrome and with Internet Explorer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crowe-t Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Manfred, I was using Safari but now I'm on Google Chrome and I can see the pictures. The new Interface panels you added look much nicer. Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 Thanks Mike, then I'm really pleased. Yep, more can not be achieved because it is very small already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Hello everybody, since in the laying of the two thin pipes on the Side 2 inevitably the "roof"gutters come into play, Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) I have made a couple of new attempts in the meantime to get some bending feeling again, because unfortunately there is nothing off the shelf. For my first attempts at the very beginning of the project, I got an aluminum tube Ø 2 mm and filed down carefully the upper half with a fine mill file, which basically works, but which was quite elaborate and laborious. Therefore, from today's point of view, I would rather want to return to the already tested variant of moulding a sheet metal strip over a round bar. For the back Gutter 3 over the Bay 18 I need a 23 mm long piece, after it follows an elongated substructure, on which two sockets with connection stubs sit, whose purpose of use I have not yet been able to find out however. But no matter, maybe I still can discover it. And as it looks like, the two thin pipes seem to be attached to these sockets when I see this right. This is indeed a picture of the MLP-1, Source: NASA (Street View) but on the MLP-2 this part looked similar, as one can see on this image detail, only the two sockets sit more in the middle. Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) On this panorama one can see the details more clearly. Source: NASA (Street View) This time I've used thin aluminum sheet (0,2 mm) for the gutters, cut out a strip of 23 mm x 3 mm and molded it over a round rod Ø 1,5 mm, but the strip can also kink axially, instead of curving itself evenly, which should be better prevented. Here one can see the filed down pipe (above) and below it the molded gutter piece, which one can do more precisely than by filing. In order to prevent this axial kinking, I will lay the strip on a rubber pad on the next attempt and then press down the round bar from above, perhaps it will work better then. However, how good this can be done with the longer strips, we will see then. Afterwards, I started with the face lifting of the Side 4, on which there are also some pipes and cables, which I would like to scratch. And since they lie above the vertical struts, then the 2D textures and shadows on the wall template disturb the picture, which would certainly look comical, especially since the 3rd dimension is missing anyway. So I have started to cover the Bays on this side with matching parts, which was quite tedious because one had to measure all the fields and covers before, so that they fit into the fields. Then came the Bay 16 with the four Vent Mufflers, where I first removed the two lower mufflers. But since the shadows there just look too brutal, I then also removed the two upper Mufflers to be able to cover this bay completely new. And the front and rear MLP-2 identities have meanwhile also been renewed and were placed in the right bays. Afterwards, the two vent mufflers were glued again, which now looks much better and corresponds to the original. In order to have more freedom of movement, I've put my turntable on a stand to have easy access from all sides, which makes the work much easier. Now only a few fields have to be renovated, which will be done tomorrow. As far as for today, and thank you for watching. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 Hello friends, now also the last fields on the Side 4 are newly re-glued, which looks now like new-born, compared to the side from the paper kit and only awaits their details. And because we are dealing with cosmetic, I have attached the yellow markings on the LH2 Vent Line, seven in number, as can be seen on this image from the STS-8. Source: NASA In order that the somewhat bulky little decals can easier cling around the pipe, I had to use Decal Soft again. And that's how it looks on the MLP. After the "renovation" of the side walls they look indeed a little bit bald, but now I could finally start with the detailing, first on the Side 2. I am still in the dark, which especially concerns the detail structure of this side during the STS-6, which does not make scratch-building easy. I started with the through-sleeves and connecting sockets of the three ports for the ECS purge lines, Source: NASA (Street View) for which I have separated 1 mm wide rings from the wire end ferrules, which protrude forward on the wall. The small connector to the left beside the downspout belongs to a GN2 pipe, the front of which looks like a handwheel and also sits in a through-sleeve, what I then have tried to scratch laboriously. The sleeve is a piece of a wire end ferrule (Ø 1 mm) and the wheel is from a section of a rod (Ø 1 mm), which I tried to slit all around with the cutter. On the right lay the round bars for the connecting sockets. And so this part in the sleeve looks so far, an attempt was worth it at any rate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mknorr Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 The amount of research you are doing is mind boggling and the results speak for themselves. Brilliant work 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted June 11, 2017 Author Share Posted June 11, 2017 Thanks Manfred for your nice compliments, yep, the scientific curiosity and the researcher's urge are still inside me and always stimulate me anew, to get to the bottom of it. And besides, I do not want to paste the details only after feeling anywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my favs are F`s Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Your topic is better than an encyclopedia! Lovely stand, makes it look pretty cozy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) Thanks for your flattering words, which praise me to the skies ... I'm glad if you like what I'm doing here, I only try to give my best. Edited June 13, 2017 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Hello everybody, then I tried to paint the caps of the connecting sockets red, first times with two test rods. Since the lengths of the caps with the brush by hand are not to manage with uniform lenght, I have masked the rod tops accordingly. And now it looks better, to the left is a second variant of the handrail, which has only a thin disc at the front, which corresponds more to the real part, which is more likely a blind flange, as I have now found out. Since I would like to paint the small through-sleeves by Airbrush, I have pinned the parts on my Balsa-Holding strip, which I had used for the lampshade lacquer. And in this airbrush job, also a few profiles for the pipes on the side walls will be sprayed, which I have already prepared. These are, inter alia, the two lines with the double kink, Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) whose connection on this console with the two attachments was a mystery to me until now. In the meantime, NASA has also digitized the photos contained in the so called MLP-Report and made them available online, from which I have already taken a lot of detailed information. And these reference photos (unfortunately only black and white) are predestined for detail studies because of their high resolution. Source: Library of Congress In addition to this image as JPEG (316 KB), on which one can not see enough details, there is also a huge TIFF format (38 MB), on which one can clearly see that the two pipes are actually connected to these two attachments, which I had so far only suspected. And on this image one can also see that the front part on the GN2 Line is probably a blind flange. Source: Library of Congress This version of the connectors with the covers is only available on the MLP-3, on the MLP-2 they are missing , as one could already see on this earlier image. Source: NASA (Street View) In any case, similar connector caps are located in front of the attachments, as can be seen from this perspective. Source: NASA (Street View) That this connection console was still slightly different on the MLP-1, can be seen in this image. Source: NASA (Street View) The MLP-Report contains, among other things, also a drawing of the Side 2 from which this image section comes, from which I have determined the dimensions of the box (Fire Hose Reel). Source: Library of Congress And these are the prepared parts for the box of 0.3 mm Styrene with two support struts (0.5 mm x 1 mm), whereby I assume that these were more likely angle profiles, for which I could use an already painted brass profile (1 mm x 1 mm). So much for the theory, which I now only need to put into action. Edited June 19, 2017 by spaceman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 Hello everybody, today only a short flash from a first attempt to bend the two thin pipes. For this I have used copper wire Ø 0.6 mm and a copy of the Side 2 of the MLP-3 as bending template, which is why I had to correct the double kink a little bit. And these are the two pipes in the raw state, from which the left ends are now adapted to the attachments on the console and the right ends must be shortened and angled. Sorry, but the light conditions are unfortunately not the best. That was it already for the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 Hello friends, and thus to the next pipe on this side, whereby I assume that it is a Firex line. The same line there is also on the Side 4, to which we will come later. This pipe is a bit thinner than the first two pipes, it starts somewhere in Bay 13 and then it takes the marked course to the front corner of Side 2, Source: NASA Since on this image one can recognize the beginning of the line unfortunately just as little as on this image of the MLP-2, Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) I have consulted again the Street View panorama of the MLP-1. And here I have found a suitable perspective, on which one can recognize, that the line comes out of the wall of the lower MLP-B Level to the right of the door and then runs first to the top and then to the right. Source: NASA (Street View) Compared to the first two pipes (Ø 0.6 mm), this line should have a diameter of 0.4 mm, for which I also used Cu wire. And here the test line is temporarily layed down, but at the lower end it must be shortened and angled. At the other end of the line at the front corner to the Side 1, I was initially not quite clear about their real run during the STS-6, provided that it already existed at that time. As can be seen in these images from John Duncan's collection (1998), the line runs around the corner to the Side 1, Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) and flows then in the thicker Firex main line, which is running under the Blast Shields to the other end of the side and then on Side 4, where it ends in Bay 13. Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) And now comes the surprise, linked with a fat On my standard reference image of the STS-6 one can see that there was no continuation of this Firex line behind the corner on the Side 1, maybe it was extended only later up to the main line, but it is only questionable when, respectively whether at all? Obviously, there is something else, whereat the red arrow points, to what I'll come back later. Source: retrospaceimages.com (STS-6) To the right side of the Side 1 it looks similar, where the red Firex main line ends in front of the corner and only some cables run around the corner. Source: retrospaceimages.com (STS-6) And so I have arrived at a point where I have to rethink everything, because that would mean that I can save myself the thinner pipe apparently, because it still did not exist at that time presumably. But about it I just have to sleep tonight ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spaceman Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 Hello everybody, well, so is it with the details, which I wanted to start scratching, but which on closer inspection suddenly vanish into thin air ... Therefore it is absolutely necessary to take care to the mission they are based on and whether they are relevant to the own mission. But that I did not keep in mind at John Duncan's MLP-2 images of 1998, because I was so thrilled about their details, a typical case of Not a bit of it! Afterwards one is unfortunately always smarter, but aside from the STS-1, there are relatively few usable Hi-Res images from the first missions, especially from Side 2, where it unfortunately looks gloomy. That's why I took the trouble and have specifically investigated the first MLP-2 missions until the end of the 80s once again, finally to get information about these ominous Firex Lines. And these were the following missions: Challenger: 1983: MLP-6, MLP-8, 1984: STS-41B, 1985: STS-51B, STS-51F, 1986: STS-51L; Discovery: 1984: STS-41D, STS-51A, 1988: SSTS-26; Atlantis: 1985: STS-51J, STS-61B. And in doing so, I found out, that 1983 during the first missions, there was no transition of the Firex line from the Side 2 to the Side 1, but first in 1984 at the Challenger mission STS-41B, as one can clearly see in this image, especially with zoom. Source: NASA At the previous mission STS-8, this transition did not yet exist, as one can see on this image unfortunately not so sharp, but nevertheless. Source: NASASpaceFlight.com Forum What one can see as a shadow is the detail (?) on MLP-2, what I've already mentioned in the last post, which I will now still examine carefully. And therefore back to the Side 2 of the MLP-2 (1998), on which one can see it also only schematically in the zoom. Source: apollosaturn.com (John Duncan) These are actually four thin Fuel cell pipes (Ø 0.5'' = 12.7 mm) for the fuel cells of the orbiter, namely the two upper GO2 pipes and the two lower GH2 pipes. More clearly, this bundle is seen on this image from the MLP-2 at the STS-132. Source: NASA If one really wanted to scratch these four pipes, one would need wires with a diameter of about 0.1 mm, which I procured some time ago. BTW, here is such a wire (Ø 0.1 mm) in cosy togetherness with a hair (Ø 0.05 mm) of mine, whose color however will not be betrayed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K2Pete Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 hours ago, spaceman said: If one really wanted to scratch these four pipes, one would need wires with a diameter of about 0.1 mm, which I procured some time ago. BTW, here is such a wire (Ø 0.1 mm) in cosy togetherness with a hair (Ø 0.05 mm) of mine, whose color however will not be betrayed. You actually made me laugh out loud when I read this ... I really have wondered how long it would be before you, in your attempt to work to this small scale, would be using hair to depict railings or wiring ... I continue to watch and enjoy this build Manfred. Your ability to detect and portray these tiny details simply amazes me! Thanx! Pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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