caiotfjr Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I have two kits on order right now. The new 1/72 Helldiver and the Il-2 we speak of. I do have reservations about the Tamiya kit as it's kind of an unlown right now. Yes they Tamiya shills will automaticly jump on the bandwagon and tell you to buy it. But what worries me most is wether or not I'll have to buy a bunch of aftermarket stuff (I never count decales, and I have a personal hatred for Tamiya and Hasegawa decales). If I spend $40 for the kit and have to buy wheels and guns and a cockpit, I'm not going to be a happy camper! Plus this seems to be a regular thing with Tamiya kits these days Lets hope that they do as good of a job on it as they did with their Zeros (later ones). gary If you think the art is valuable, you should start using Mr. Mark and Mr. Setter when decaling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Learstang Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Absolutely! In case there's anyone who's not familiar with it, go here: http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/ A bit extreme, but I think you did the right thing. Now if only I could do that, too... ;) Wow - excellent! Thanks very much for the link, Michel! We've already blown our download usage for April, but I'll be looking at this series with great interest when our new service plan kicks in next month! My thought exactly. I attempted a conversion of the Amodel I-207/3 to that version (I-207/1? Might also be the predecessor, the 7211) but didn't have the patience to do all those cowling fairings, so I compromised and went for the I-207/2 instead. Again, for those not familiar with the type, here's a page showing Valentin Muchichko's build of the Amodel kit: http://dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?p=1762&lng=E I love biplanes with (almost) no rigging... I have to mention a couple of things: (1) The photo at the top of the page is a fake, as is implied in the translation of the text; (2) Valentin Muchichko is the guy who created the incredibly-detailed masters for a lot of 1/72 ICM kits (the I-16 series, for example), so the quality of the build is well beyond "out of the box" level! Here's more of his work: http://savoya.io.ua/album428365 John Not that this isn't off-subject (didn't this thread start off about the upcoming Tamiya IL-2 release?), but since this has become kind of a VVS love-in, I sure wish ICM or whomever would release that beautiful R-5 limousine version Mr. Muchichko did. Regarding the I-207, I once attempted to scratchbuild the /4 version with the enclosed cockpit; I still have most of it, and if I can just find the upper wing, all I need is the engine and prop off an I-190 to finish it. Another one on my to do list (that and my Frankenchaika). Regards, Jason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Robertson Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 As far as the photos making an odd impression, how so? I have copies of nearly every IL-2 kit ever produced and I'd like to know the shortcomings or "oddness" you can see in the photographs of this kit, as it looks pretty near spot on to me. Regards, Jason Theres one obvious thing though: Tamiyas windscreen looks too small and wide, or the fuselage under it is too big. If you look at the whole way the canopy sits, it looks nowhere near the real thing... The AM windscreen has some small issues of its own with the bottom edge framing, but it is way better than Tamiya... Plus, like AM, the Tamiya canopy edge goes right to the edge of the windows, which gives you no wiggle room to cheat mask... I think the expectations on this kit are way too high by the looks of it... Robertson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tbolt Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) Theres one obvious thing though: Tamiyas windscreen looks too small and wide, or the fuselage under it is too big. If you look at the whole way the canopy sits, it looks nowhere near the real thing... The AM windscreen has some small issues of its own with the bottom edge framing, but it is way better than Tamiya... Plus, like AM, the Tamiya canopy edge goes right to the edge of the windows, which gives you no wiggle room to cheat mask... I think the expectations on this kit are way too high by the looks of it... Robertson I find that very hard to tell from the picture we've seen so far. Don't forget that these pictures and the sample Brett has over on HS are test shots so lets wait and see till it comes out before we start picking holes in it. Edited April 29, 2012 by Tbolt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Thompson Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Not that this isn't off-subject (didn't this thread start off about the upcoming Tamiya IL-2 release?), but since this has become kind of a VVS love-in Right or wrong, that's to be expected - VVS-related threads are rare on the general interest forums, so it's a good chance to try to promote some broader awareness. Of course, my motives are not entirely pure - I figure the more people get hooked on Russian stuff, the more likely it is that we'll see some new VVS kits... ;) I sure wish ICM or whomever would release that beautiful R-5 limousine version Mr. Muchichko did. Jason Again, for general awareness, this Polikarpov R-5-based series was supposed to be released by South Front, until South Front went out of business and left the whole thing in limbo. I'm guessing here, but I think the models shown in my previous post are based on resin copies that Muchichko made from his masters after the deal fell through. There's another series of photos which shows some of the preparation of the masters themselves: http://www.dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?p=6314 There are many brilliant modelling craftsmen in Russia and Eastern Europe; with no offence meant to any of them, I think of V. Muchichko as "The Master of Masters" for his incredibly detailed work. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nerdling Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Theres one obvious thing though: Tamiyas windscreen looks too small and wide, or the fuselage under it is too big. If you look at the whole way the canopy sits, it looks nowhere near the real thing... The AM windscreen has some small issues of its own with the bottom edge framing, but it is way better than Tamiya... Plus, like AM, the Tamiya canopy edge goes right to the edge of the windows, which gives you no wiggle room to cheat mask... I think the expectations on this kit are way too high by the looks of it... Robertson Sounds like something Gaston Marty would complain about to me. How can you really tell from a photo of a kit that isn't even painted. Now if you can find us actual proof and measurements then we might actually believe you. But as I see it now the kit looks really good. Not my favorite subject matter. But if I ever find it on sale for cheap I would pick it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) Just bought two more of the AM kits on eBay for $18 for the two plus $7 shipping. I think I am set for the rest of my lifetime with the 4 I now have plus the two aftermarket wing sets I bought some time ago for next to nothing. I just need to find some Czech decals for them now. Edited April 29, 2012 by Otto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B_Realistic Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Absolutely! In case there's anyone who's not familiar with it, go here: http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/ A bit extreme, but I think you did the right thing. Now if only I could do that, too... ;) Just do it. I had a stash of models I knew I would never build due to the fact that I lost interest. I love russian fighters so I'd narrowed it down to that speceific group. Which is still a lot! I think I've got mainly 80% of the types they've released in 1 48th scale. Just went to a dealer I know and he gave me the kits I wanted and I gave mine. Of course it's not a 1 : 1 ratio but still I'm happy. Wow - excellent! Thanks very much for the link, Michel! We've already blown our download usage for April, but I'll be looking at this series with great interest when our new service plan kicks in next month! You're welcome. I've enjoyed it seeing it because it gives more background and the english speaker is funny. My thought exactly. I attempted a conversion of the Amodel I-207/3 to that version (I-207/1? Might also be the predecessor, the 7211) but didn't have the patience to do all those cowling fairings, so I compromised and went for the I-207/2 instead. Again, for those not familiar with the type, here's a page showing Valentin Muchichko's build of the Amodel kit: http://dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?p=1762&lng=E I love biplanes with (almost) no rigging... I have to mention a couple of things: (1) The photo at the top of the page is a fake, as is implied in the translation of the text; (2) Valentin Muchichko is the guy who created the incredibly-detailed masters for a lot of 1/72 ICM kits (the I-16 series, for example), so the quality of the build is well beyond "out of the box" level! Here's more of his work: http://savoya.io.ua/album428365 John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B_Realistic Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 To all those IL-2 lovers, Brett Green put a step by step of the new Tamiya IL-2 on Hyperscale. :) It's absolutly genius how those Japanese made this kit. So also for the non IL-2 lovers this is worth the look. http://www.hyperscale.com/2012/features/il2tamiyabuild48bg_1.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Thompson Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 To all those IL-2 lovers, Brett Green put a step by step of the new Tamiya IL-2 on Hyperscale. :) It's absolutly genius how those Japanese made this kit. So also for the non IL-2 lovers this is worth the look. http://www.hyperscale.com/2012/features/il2tamiyabuild48bg_1.htm OMG - it looks gorgeous! Thanks for the link, Michel! I sense my future may include a 1/48 kit... What the hell - while I'm at it I might as well go for that Modelsvit 1/48 Yak-1b I've been wanting for ages, too (if I can find one)! Spend, spend, spend... ;) John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Learstang Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 It does look nice - let's see if Tamiya keep on schedule and release it by the end of June. Regards, Jason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KenM Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 It does look nice - let's see if Tamiya keep on schedule and release it by the end of June. Regards, Jason It will be out by the end of June, when Tamiya makes an announcment on a model it's already good to go they don't tease like other players in the game. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Learstang Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 It will be out by the end of June, when Tamiya makes an announcment on a model it's already good to go they don't tease like other players in the game. Ken Great to hear that, Ken! I do look forward to this kit. Regards, Jason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B_Realistic Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 (edited) Great to hear that, Ken! I do look forward to this kit. Regards, Jason @Jason Yes let's celebrate the future. :) Tamiya has stepped forward again in engineering a kit like that. So this is for me a stunning looking Il-2! @John Like other manufacturers promised to release kits and never came... Where is the Yak-28 from Hippo Models? Edited May 5, 2012 by B_Realistic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Thompson Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 @John Like other manufacturers promised to release kits and never came... Where is the Yak-28 from Hippo Models? ...or the I-153 from ICM, and I'm sure there are others that are long overdue! John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Otto Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Without reading threw countless pages of STUFF I found on the web that the kit will be selling for around $40-$45US. That is not that bad for today's standards and the fact that the Junk Hokey Hoss F4U-4 is about the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Learstang Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I pre-ordered mine from Hobby Link Japan for $42USD which I think is reasonable. It seems that's about what I paid for their Swordfish. I have no idea about the shipping, how ever. Regards, Jason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B_Realistic Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I pre-ordered mine from Hobby Link Japan for $42USD which I think is reasonable. It seems that's about what I paid for their Swordfish. I have no idea about the shipping, how ever. Regards, Jason You can't wait do you? 42USD is indeed not cheap but on the other hand do we need some aftermarket stuff for it? Considering the SU-24 from Trumpeter how much stuff you need to buy to make it a little bit accurate! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B_Realistic Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 For all the Tamiya fans and non fans here's a link to Brett Greens comparison he made of the AM and Tamiya IL-2 kit. Enjoy. For me it's obvious altough I made my decision as soon as I saw the Tamiya IL-2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 here's a link No there isn't...... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floggerman Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 No there isn't...... Ken May I help you, Sir? http://hyperscale.com/2012/features/il2amtamiyacomparison48bg_1.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 For all the Tamiya fans and non fans here's a link to Brett Greens comparison he made of the AM and Tamiya IL-2 kit. Enjoy. For me it's obvious altough I made my decision as soon as I saw the Tamiya IL-2. I looked his review over, and was left even less than impressed. Good kit yes, but once again not nearly worth one third of the hype it's getting. I yet to see a build review over there that wasn't a great kit anyway, and with advertising dollars needed I pay little attention to them. gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oryx Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) - Edited May 16, 2012 by Oryx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Learstang Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 This just shows how different people are: I read the same review you did, looked at the same pictures, and come to exactly the opposite conclusion you did. So far, it looks to me like it deserves all the hype it is getting... I guess this diversity is what makes life interesting :) I'm with you on this one, Oryx. The points that Brett Green makes, need for advertising dollars notwithstanding, are valid ones, both from a modelling viewpoint, and from an historical accuracy viewpoint. The AM kit is a nice kit; the Tamiya kit looks to be an outstanding kit. Once again I commend Tamiya for their choice of subject matter. Regards, Jason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 I'm with you on this one, Oryx. The points that Brett Green makes, need for advertising dollars notwithstanding, are valid ones, both from a modelling viewpoint, and from an historical accuracy viewpoint. The AM kit is a nice kit; the Tamiya kit looks to be an outstanding kit. Once again I commend Tamiya for their choice of subject matter. Regards, Jason The only thing I see in it is that the price for the AM kit will increase and the other will die on the shelf like their Storchs and Swordfish did. This is not saying it's a bad kit, but not three times better than the AM kit. To be exact not even 25% better. If it had of had AM lables on the box it would have been a good kit. I have one on order with no idea what it's gonna cost, but if it's $60 I'm gonna whine a lot. gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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