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Basically, a Ryan air 737-800 was trying to pass an American Airlines 767-300 at the end of a taxiway, but clipped the left side elevator of the 767 with it's right side winglet. It was a small bump, so it could be that neither pilot felt it. But a passenger on the ryan air 737 saw the contact and allerted a crew member. However, when the pilot was informed of the hit, she elected to take off anyway.

Both planes landed safely at their destination. The incident happend in april 2011.

The Damage:

767-300's elevator

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737-800's winglet

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And a diagram showing how they hit.

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A link to the full article can be found here

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You can talk to Ryan Air attendants about aircraft problems for free, but forwarding the message to the pilot is $45 fee, and having the pilot actually respond to the issue is a further $200 + cost of fuel.

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Unbelievable, this could have been an uglier story than it already is. Sit this crew down and have them watch AIR DISASTERS about Tenerife incident with the 2 B747s ,

a nice refresher course just before I FIRED that crew and pursued getting there pilot licenses removed forever! These morons should not even be allowed to drive a horse drawn manure cart.

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The crew of that 737, espcially the Captain needs to be permanently grounded. Ignoring reports of a possible ground collision is TOTALLY unacceptable. Judging from the damage to the trailing edge of the 767's elevator, it is a miracle that they didn't develope some type of serious in flight emergency.

Darwin

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The crew of that 737, espcially the Captain needs to be permanently grounded. Ignoring reports of a possible ground collision is TOTALLY unacceptable. Judging from the damage to the trailing edge of the 767's elevator, it is a miracle that they didn't develope some type of serious in flight emergency.

Darwin

Hopefully there was some breakdown in communication and the flight crew never actually got the word about the collision. I can't believe that any professional pilot would ignore something like this and decide to continue with the flight.

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Hopefully there was some breakdown in communication and the flight crew never actually got the word about the collision. I can't believe that any professional pilot would ignore something like this and decide to continue with the flight.

Actually, it turns out she did know about the crash and even her co-pilot should have known because he was watching the wing when she passed the 767 because she knew she was cutting it close.

BTW, the passengers reported it 3 times. The final time after landing and she still flew back to Barcelona.

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British CAA, and American FAA regulations are all in agreement - when two aircraft touch unintentionally it constitutes an "incident" and it is illegal to proceed with a flight afterward until both aircraft have been inspected. The Ryanair captain is 100% at fault, and should probably have his/her certificate yanked.

I'd no more step foot on a Ryanair airplane than play Russian roulette with a loaded gun. Anybody who does is a dope, no matter how cheap the ticket. The airline is a menace to itself, its passengers, and air navigation in general and should have been grounded a long time ago, for good.

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British CAA, and American FAA regulations are all in agreement - when two aircraft touch unintentionally it constitutes an "incident" and it is illegal to proceed with a flight afterward until both aircraft have been inspected. The Ryanair captain is 100% at fault, and should probably have his/her certificate yanked.

I'd no more step foot on a Ryanair airplane than play Russian roulette with a loaded gun. Anybody who does is a dope, no matter how cheap the ticket. The airline is a menace to itself, its passengers, and air navigation in general and should have been grounded a long time ago, for good.

Which brings me to a interresting point. What rules apply in this case? The United States' (the airliner being hit) rules or the Irish (the airliner that caused the hit) or the Spanish rules (the airport where the incident happend)?

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British CAA, and American FAA regulations are all in agreement - when two aircraft touch unintentionally it constitutes an "incident" and it is illegal to proceed with a flight afterward until both aircraft have been inspected. The Ryanair captain is 100% at fault, and should probably have his/her certificate yanked.

I'd no more step foot on a Ryanair airplane than play Russian roulette with a loaded gun. Anybody who does is a dope, no matter how cheap the ticket. The airline is a menace to itself, its passengers, and air navigation in general and should have been grounded a long time ago, for good.

Which begs the question: If something major does happen, will those two governing bodies be held responsible for inaction ?

Which brings me to a interresting point. What rules apply in this case? The United States' (the airliner being hit) rules or the Irish (the airliner that caused the hit) or the Spanish rules (the airport where the incident happend)?

I'd imagine Spain since that is where it happened ...

-Gregg

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Which brings me to a interresting point. What rules apply in this case? The United States' (the airliner being hit) rules or the Irish (the airliner that caused the hit) or the Spanish rules (the airport where the incident happend)?

Actually it would be EASA - the European Aviation Safety Agency. With the exception of additional specific national requirements, EASA are the Regulatory Authority for all European countries (including Spain, Ireland and the United Kingdom ;) ). Airlines operating into EASA airspace also have to comply with the requirements, as do those operating from EASA member countries into other National Authorities airspace (like the FAA or Transport Canada). I don't see where the UK CAA is involved in this as the aircraft is Irish registered, operates under an Air Operators Certificate issued by the Irish CAA and the incident took place in Spain on an internal flight. The investigation should be a joint venture between the NTSB, EASA, the Irish Air Accident Investigation Unit (AAIU) and Spain's Civil Aviation Accident and Incident Investigation Commission, CIAIAC.

For those saying that it doesn't look like much damage - damage to composite structure can be notorious to detect visually. Unlike metal any impact may not result in visible damage like a dent. The underlying layers may delaminate significantly reducing strength; Carbon Fibre is immensely strong - right up until it fails. If, as is alleged, the Captain was aware of the impact (either from her F/O or the passengers reporting it to the Flight Attendants) she had a duty of care to investigate it further - despite it meant returning to stand and also to report it to the AA 767. Unfortunately I suspect she'll end up with no more than a chat with the Chief Pilot and a warning to be more careful.

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