ByronLeal Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) Hi!! I don't want to sound stupid but, I was wondering why the Aussies don´t use roundels in the top of they aircrafts wings :unsure: :unsure: Happy Modeling Byron Edited August 6, 2012 by ByronLeal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Uh, they do. At least on many a/c types. Poland doesn't, and North Korea doesn't. Just tradition in those cases. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 This is only the case for the Hornets we operate (classics and supers). Every other type in operation at the moment has roundels on top of the wings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RiderFan Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Hi!! I don't want to sound stupid but, I was wondering why the Aussies don´t use roundels in the top of they aircrafts wings :unsure: :unsure: Happy Modeling Byron It depends on the aircraft, but Australia does put roundels (with kangaroo's) on top of some of their aircraft wings. Their F-18's don't have them (now) but other aircraft certainly do. Also, like the RCAF, their markings have changed over time. So it depends on what era you're modelling. RAAF F-18A with blank wings. http://australianaviation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/20100805raaf8540652_0132.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ByronLeal Posted August 7, 2012 Author Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Well, the airplane I am looking for is the Mirage III, the one with a yellow flash in the tail with a black bird (raven?), the pictures I have seen of it shows no roundel on top, so I asume, and as the bad guy in that Steven Segal movie (from the ones when he still was fit ) says "assumption is the mother of all f&ck ups"; my mistake; so is wise to check your references and most important, ask the ones that know. Thanks Happy Modeling Byron It depends on the aircraft, but Australia does put roundels (with kangaroo's) on top of some of their aircraft wings. Their F-18's don't have them (now) but other aircraft certainly do. Also, like the RCAF, their markings have changed over time. So it depends on what era you're modelling. RAAF F-18A with blank wings. http://australianaviation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/20100805raaf8540652_0132.jpg Edited August 7, 2012 by ByronLeal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Biggles81 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Well, the airplane I am looking for is the Mirage III, the one with a yellow flash in the tail with a black bird (raven?), the pictures I have seen of it shows no roundel on top, so I asume, and as the bad guy in that Steven Segal movie (from the ones when he still was fit ) says "assumption is the mother of all f&ck ups"; my mistake; so is wise to check your references and most important, ask the ones that know. Thanks Happy Modeling Byron Byron, Our Mirages did not have upper surface roundels after the lizard scheme was introduced (not Euro 1 but Bs298 olive drab and extra dark sea gray). I suspect you are describing a 75 Sqn aircraft with temp exercise markings if the entire fin is yellow with a black and white dart and Magpie in the centre. otherwise you may be mixing the 2OCU jets with 75 Sqn Jets. See these links below (and check out Motty's site for many more Aussie Mirages) Hth, Ken. http://motty.hobbyvista.com/Beasts-Pages/Mirages/CP-219-01.jpg for the 75sqn jet, noting the yellow triangles on the upper wings as well. http://motty.hobbyvista.com/Mirages/Neill-Groves-A3-21-001.jpg for a 2OCU example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BadCop Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I guess this discussion begs the question - Roundels may have been a relevant to identification of friend and foe in WW1, and to a lesser extent WW2, but today in the age of supersonic stealth jet fighters and air to air missiles, beyond tradition what purpose do roundels play on modern military aircraft, particularly low-visibility ones? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RiderFan Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I guess this discussion begs the question - Roundels may have been a relevant to identification of friend and foe in WW1, and to a lesser extent WW2, but today in the age of supersonic stealth jet fighters and air to air missiles, beyond tradition what purpose do roundels play on modern military aircraft, particularly low-visibility ones? They're so pilots know which F-18 on the tarmac to climb into while attending NATO exercises? :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ByronLeal Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 They're so pilots know which F-18 on the tarmac to climb into while attending NATO exercises? :) specialy if the crew chief is not close by to tell him Byron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ByronLeal Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 This is the one I have as WIP, http://motty.hobbyvista.com/Beasts-Pages/Mirages/CP-219-01.jpg are there any two seats of this? Regards Byron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 This is the one I have as WIP, http://motty.hobbyvi...s/CP-219-01.jpg are there any two seats of this? Regards Byron The closest you will get for a 75SQN twin seater in that scheme is without the yellow tail. http://motty.hobbyvista.com/Mirages/Bob-Irvine's-Mirage-004-04.jpg This aircraft (above), A3-108 was the last mirage I had a back seat ride in before being transfered away to VIP aircraft :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 beyond tradition what purpose do roundels play on modern military aircraft, particularly low-visibility ones? For some countries, presence of a roundel on military aircraft is a legal requirement, AFAIK. HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ByronLeal Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 The closest you will get for a 75SQN twin seater in that scheme is without the yellow tail. http://motty.hobbyvista.com/Mirages/Bob-Irvine's-Mirage-004-04.jpg This aircraft (above), A3-108 was the last mirage I had a back seat ride in before being transfered away to VIP aircraft :D Well, one seat it is!! Regards Byron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ross blackford Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 The closest you will get for a 75SQN twin seater in that scheme is without the yellow tail. http://motty.hobbyvista.com/Mirages/Bob-Irvine's-Mirage-004-04.jpg This aircraft (above), A3-108 was the last mirage I had a back seat ride in before being transfered away to VIP aircraft :D :D, You lucky bugger Ray; you actually got rides in a Mirage dual. I waited for 4 1/2 years for mine and was in the OCU safety equipment section getting suited up, was doing up the last g-suit lace when the Orderly Room Sergeant walked in and said "LAC Blackford, you won't mind giving up your ride for a young female cadet journo who's doing an article on the SQN will you?" I replied "The hell I won't Sarge, I've waited 4 1/2 years for this and I'm not giving it up for anyone. There's another dual seat available on this sortie, she can have that one." He gave me "that" look and said "Well tough luck sport, (or something similar) she's got your ride, what are you gonna do about it?" and that was it for my Miracle ride. I found out the next week (which was my second last week at OCU that she was sleeping with one of the bograts (trainee pilots for non RAAF people.) , Ross. ps. The article wasn't that great either; I hope she was doing a better job in bed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan Thunder Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) :D, You lucky bugger Ray; you actually got rides in a Mirage dual. I waited for 4 1/2 years for mine and was in the OCU safety equipment section getting suited up, was doing up the last g-suit lace when the Orderly Room Sergeant walked in and said "LAC Blackford, you won't mind giving up your ride for a young female cadet journo who's doing an article on the SQN will you?" I replied "The hell I won't Sarge, I've waited 4 1/2 years for this and I'm not giving it up for anyone. There's another dual seat available on this sortie, she can have that one." He gave me "that" look and said "Well tough luck sport, (or something similar) she's got your ride, what are you gonna do about it?" and that was it for my Miracle ride. I found out the next week (which was my second last week at OCU that she was sleeping with one of the bograts (trainee pilots for non RAAF people.) , Ross. ps. The article wasn't that great either; I hope she was doing a better job in bed. So Ross, I wouldn't be rubbing it in by showing these pictures? :D I look a bit older now :D Before... Strapping in... Airborne... After... This was in A3-111 about 10 months earlier... Sorry for hijacking this thread Byron! Edited August 13, 2012 by Trojan Thunder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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