F-16 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Sprue shots are here: Italeri Sunderland Scott CNJC-IPMS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IrishGreek Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Looking forward to this one. Had the Airfix one in my stash, but just couldn't bring myself to start it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 another new kit for my "wish I had that" list. Even the decales looked nice! gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonW Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I will have to get this one for sure. It will be nice to retire the Airfix kit to my pile of "to be sold" kits...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grey Ghost 531 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Hmmm, 80 bucks, I don't know if it's THAT nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IrishGreek Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 True. Will wait till I see it on sale somewhere... Maybe the Squadron Mystery box... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDSModeller Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Looking forward to this one. Had the Airfix one in my stash, but just couldn't bring myself to start it... If you are looking to build a Sunderland Kit, then this should be fine (though there are issues to be corrected, eg extra port hole starboard bow side -should be 10 portholes not 9 etc....). If you want a Mk III/IIIa/V Sunderland, then the Airfix kit is the only game in town. You can't build a Mk III OOB with the Italeri kit, there are a ton of conversions required,if anyone is interested I can list them. Not all Sunderland marks are created the same. Not withstanding the Airfix kit with some work can build into a nice model. Regards Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Its out in the UK,my LHS had them in yesterday. Stephen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
breadneck Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 And in 20 or so years we will be tossing out the "old" Italeri Sunderland kit while praising the all new Tamiya kit. Well when you think about it this is a bit looney isn`t it. I never loose interest in my older kit`s because there is a new and improved version available, and certainly i will get the new version to! I`ve had the "old" Airfix kit sitting idle in my stash for some 20 years but i certainly won`t get wrid of it because it is considered by some to be outdated. No, these ripe old Airfix kit`s seem to get better with age. Please remember how much we have to owe to the likes of Airfix. They really did lay down alot of dirtywork back then, and i haven`t waited all this time just to discard of it! Sure i am very happy with the new Italeri kit and will get mine, but i hold the Airfix kit as my favourite because of it`s sick service history (ruling the shelves of LHS worldwide for decades) I feel we should not completely give up on those old raised model kit`s as they present a big part of our modelling history. So let rip with your fancy panel scriber or raise the bar and let those raised panel lines speak a word or two about our modelling history. Whatever you may desire, the choice is yours! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Hard to say for sure from those photos, but the panel lines look pretty wide and mushy to me... Although these days that doesn't seem to bother a lot of people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Note 5 stars for everything, including ease of assembly, although it doesn't appear to have been actually assembled. Also, were the dorsal guns Lewis guns like in the review, or Vickers K guns? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDSModeller Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Note 5 stars for everything, including ease of assembly, although it doesn't appear to have been actually assembled. Also, were the dorsal guns Lewis guns like in the review, or Vickers K guns? If you check out this link, it has photos of an assembled model Italeri Sunderland The Mk I had the Vickers VGO gun(Vicker Gas Operated) in the Bow turret so would have carried the same in the dorsal positions, these attached photo links have some good info Dorsal postion Dorsal postion 1 Regards Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 If you check out this link, it has photos of an assembled model Italeri Sunderland The Mk I had the Vickers VGO gun(Vicker Gas Operated) in the Bow turret so would have carried the same in the dorsal positions, these attached photo links have some good info Dorsal postion Dorsal postion 1 Regards Alan Thanks. The Vickers VGO is another name for the Vickers K gun. So the question becomes, is the review wrong regarding Lewis guns, or is the kit wrong? The assembled kit does look nice (except for perhaps the Matchbox trench-digger panel lines). My main point was questioning the 5-star review in every category for a kit that the reviewer doesn't seem to have taken off the sprues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 My main point was questioning the 5-star review in every category for a kit that the reviewer doesn't seem to have taken off the sprues. It's not a review. It's a look-see. You can call it whatever you like, but it's *not* a review. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aaronw Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) Note 5 stars for everything, including ease of assembly, although it doesn't appear to have been actually assembled. Also, were the dorsal guns Lewis guns like in the review, or Vickers K guns? Lewis guns were outdated by the 1930s, so most likely Vickers K which also began to be replaced by 1940 (which is why gobs were available to the LRDG/SAS for their Jeeps). The Vickers K also used a drum, and in 1/72 would look similar to the Lewis so the reviewer is probably just confused. Edited September 23, 2012 by Aaronw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDSModeller Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Thanks. The Vickers VGO is another name for the Vickers K gun. So the question becomes, is the review wrong regarding Lewis guns, or is the kit wrong? The assembled kit does look nice (except for perhaps the Matchbox trench-digger panel lines). My main point was questioning the 5-star review in every category for a kit that the reviewer doesn't seem to have taken off the sprues. I have a copy of the Mk I Sunderland manual, and under the "Armament" section: point 122 it states at that the bow turret and amidships (Starboard/Port)is a Vicker's .303in type K gun.... So I'm guessing the person on Cybermodeller got it confused. It should be of note (and down to modellers personal taste)that early on in the war, gun barrels were covered in protective sheath when the aircraft were on the water. Sunderland mk I guns Later Guns were removed and stored in the on board Gun/Cloak room to avoid water damage to the guns. So if you have an issue with guns being wrong, it would not be wrong if you left them out of the turrets..... Regards Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stevehnz Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Hard to say for sure from those photos, but the panel lines look pretty wide and mushy to me... Although these days that doesn't seem to bother a lot of people. Tut tut Jennings, by the terms of your second post on this thread, how can you say that if you've not held one of these in your hand? <_< Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ross blackford Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 :D, There'll probably be a few sold Downunder as both the RAAF and RNZAF had a lot of wartime and post war experience with Sunderlands, although the RNZAF had more post war experience with them than the RAAF. There were a number of civil Sandringhams used in Australia after the war. A mate of mine's father in law was at Pembroke Dock converting onto Sunderland Mk.1s when war was declared and he once told me they were not a bad aircraft to fly; and very effective. , Ross. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stevehnz Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'm picking that for most machines with a Kiwi connection the Airfix kit will be the only option & even then with some mods. The postwar RNZAF machines were all Mk Vs while 490sqn operated Mk IIIs in West Africa later in the war. There will I'd imagine be individual machines flown by Kiwis ealrly in the war that this new kit would be appropriate for. Steve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
agboak Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 There ae a lot of good photos around of 10(RAAF) Sq. Sunderland Mk.Is, so I think that would be a popular choice for a transfer sheet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDSModeller Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I'm picking that for most machines with a Kiwi connection the Airfix kit will be the only option & even then with some mods. The postwar RNZAF machines were all Mk Vs while 490sqn operated Mk IIIs in West Africa later in the war. There will I'd imagine be individual machines flown by Kiwis ealrly in the war that this new kit would be appropriate for. Steve. In the Italeri Kit, there are markings for 204 Squadron who flew Mk I's in West Africa. A number of kiwi's crewed those, so there is a representation for us there. Regards Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rowan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Nice looking kit. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Is it just me, or does this look more like a model of the Titanic than an aircraft? Big trenches outlined with rivets? Has anyone affiliated with this kit ever looked at an actual aircraft? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruud Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 i like Model Madness' method. Review is with an actual build. Preview is a peek in the box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LDSModeller Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Is it just me, or does this look more like a model of the Titanic than an aircraft? Big trenches outlined with rivets? Has anyone affiliated with this kit ever looked at an actual aircraft? I have as yet not got my hands on the kit, so cannot make a comment on dimensions etc. The Actual Aircraft is quite big in real life especially out of water. Apparently (I'm going by the Cybermodeller Reviewers comments here) a series of period photos are enclosed and some photos from Hendon. If that is the case, Italeri got some things right and other things SO wrong (especially the panel lines!!!). http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/it/kit_it_1302.shtml If a modeller wants to build the Kit OOB and all closed up, should build into a nice kit. If a modeller wants to build a more accurate model, then there are issues requiring fixing - especially the Interior The lower section is mythical. Personally myself, I would ditch the Italeri Interior and build my own. Regards Alan Edited September 30, 2012 by LDSModeller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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