solher1 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Yufei, any kit that has your input can only be excellent, as these test shots confirm. Small request-any chance of convincing your friend at GWH to make an su27 in 1/48 as good as this mig-29 is, (i.e. with your input)? I know your canopy fixes one of the majoy problems of the academy kit but there are still other issues... Although Su-27 is my favorite aircraft, I would prefer a new series of accurate Mig-25/Mig-31. Come on Yufei, you suggested the Mig-29 to the owner of GWH, please suggest a new Foxbat/Foxhound kit. I know many people will share my opinion. Now waiting for the Fulcrum to arrive. Juan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Although Su-27 is my favorite aircraft, I would prefer a new series of accurate Mig-25/Mig-31. Come on Yufei, you suggested the Mig-29 to the owner of GWH, please suggest a new Foxbat/Foxhound kit. I know many people will share my opinion. Yeah but I don't know why so many people like the MiG-31. It's grey, it has only ex-Soviet countries markings, it look less brutish than the MiG-25. I find the Su-17/22 a lot more interesting personally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niki4703 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Can GWH or somebody else, please, not ignore among the liveries offered the early Hungarian one (with the crest on the fin and the red Puma on the nose)? http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/mig-29-hungary-engine1.jpg The late one (with the Gripen-style camo) isn't bad either, but not so colourful: crest and Puma are plain black... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niki4703 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) ...and the red Puma :-) http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/mig-29-4.jpg Cheers, Niki P.S.: sorry about the double post and the crappy pictures - I'm not in front of a proper computer... :-( Edited September 23, 2012 by niki4703 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 ...and the red Puma :-) http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/mig-29-4.jpg Cheers, Niki Do you have more reference photos that you can share? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Here they are several pics of these birds in Germany But I suppose you're talking about these a/c of the 968.IAP with the 3.IAK badge http://www.16va.be/galeries_vvs/mig-29/imgcol/imgcol_22/_00004.html http://www.16va.be/galeries_vvs/mig-29/imgcol/imgcol_22/_00009.html V.P. Those are the ones! Really like them. Haven't done a jet fighter in a decade or so but I think I will have to get back in the game when this kit (and the aforementioned decals) come out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zactoman Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'm no MiG-29 expert but it looks really nice to me! In a direct side view, the slop of the wind shield is indeed about 5Ă° too great. Also the rear of the canopy looks strange to me, slightly too bulged? I have a profile drawing that I made (which may not be completely accurate) and did an overlay and the windscreen is off by less than 2 degrees which would only be about .020" in 1/48. Close enough for me! Being silent for quite a while here after marriage... Congrats Yufei!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Bye-bye Minicraft kit! Looks awesome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 First of all, kudos to GWH, who dares to put their head in the noose and publish those "mugshots" on this forum, for all of us expert rivet counters to examine and dissect. Second, I recognise a Mig-29 family aircraft when I see one, but that is about my limit of Mig-29 expertise. So I have two questions for you guys who are in the know. First of all: Can this version be built from the GWH kit? Second: Are those markings available as decals somewhere? I think this photo should answer the eternal question whether the lerx-intakes are open or closed during flight ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 First of all: Can this version be built from the GWH kit? I'm not a MiG expert myself, but I think you can build a Polish MiG-29 from this kit, although this particular one shown on your photo has been modernized to "NATO standard", so some small details would probably have to be modified (antennas, cockpit details etc.) Second: Are those markings available as decals somewhere? I have not seen this particular low-vis version decals, but there was a high vis version for MiG-29UB made by someone: http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/31836/500x400/polish-mig-29-fulcrum.jpg I think this photo should answer the eternal question whether the lerx-intakes are open or closed during flight ;-) Not really - it depends on the specific flight conditions. They are usually closed during flight, unless the aircraft is doing tight turn or similar maneuver. Pawel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Not really - it depends on the specific flight conditions. They are usually closed during flight, unless the aircraft is doing tight turn or similar maneuver. And they are definitely open on the ground with the engine running and the aircraft taxying. On landing, when the nosewheel touches the ground, it causes the main intake anti-FOD doors to close - the LERX louvres then open to take air into the engines. When the engine runs down and stops, the main intake doors remain closed and the louvre doors also close (there being no air demand from the engine) - this is how a model should be depicted 'at rest'. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I was just kidding a bit guys.. As you say, they seem spring loaded, and the difference in air pressure determines whether they open or not. I just wanted to point out that they obviously can open and close independently of each other. As for the FOD-doors, that seems to be a feature that can be activated/deactivated as needed? I had hoped to see them in action at RIAT. Too bad that the low-viz markings with the pilots portrait is not available, but I hope it will turn up eventually.. I think itĂÂŽs a very good looking paint job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floggerman Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 (edited) As for the FOD-doors, that seems to be a feature that can be activated/deactivated as needed? I had hoped to see them in There is nothing impossible with russian planes, check this: http://www.airliners.net/photo/1341136/M/ Edited September 24, 2012 by Floggerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 There is nothing impossible with russian planes, check this: http://www.airliners.net/photo/1341136/M/ They are starting the engines and it was firts the right one, so the door closes. I have seen this on our examples too. The overhead louvres can be seen in flight in an open position, or to be more precise they will have a wave movement going through the five intakes or a kind of pulsing movement with some opening and others closing. You would see a similar effect on the addtional intakes of the Su-27 under the main intake. That Polish art work was really great and I am sure that someone will make the decal for it!!! Unfortunately we did not have any good special artwork on Hungarian aircraft, the ones which were painted were very amateur! The Polish and the Czech aircraft looked much nicer and far more professional! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 ...and the red Puma :-) http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/mig-29-4.jpg Cheers, Niki P.S.: sorry about the double post and the crappy pictures - I'm not in front of a proper computer... :-( As far as I know there is a HAD decal for the Hungarian aircraft in this markings! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koen L Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I believe the HAD sheet is only for the later grey camo Hungarian machines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 As for the FOD-doors, that seems to be a feature that can be activated/deactivated as needed? I had hoped to see them in action at RIAT. That's interesting, Erik...... I had assumed that there was a weight-on-nosewheel switch that closed the doors when the nosewheel hit the ground. My sequence of photos - taken during the Polish MiG-29 rehearsal on Thursday shows the following... Nosewheel not down - main doors open... Nosewheel almost down - doors closed...... Nosewheel fully down - doors closed - engine gets air from upper louvres... I'd be interested to get to the bottom of how they work - I doubt that it is pilot-actuated (he is too busy landing the aircraft to be worried about door position). But they clearly aren't activated by the nosewheel - as I thought Maybe it is a pilot-switch after all - anyone know for sure ??? Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I had assumed that there was a weight-on-nosewheel switch that closed the doors when the nosewheel hit the ground. I think I've read that this is how it works for take off - when the nose gear is off the ground, the intake doors open up. But, it wasn't explained how it works during the landing. The doors obviously need to be closed before the nose gear hits the ground (otherwise, they might not close fast enough), so perhaps it's some combination of the main gear switch and the airspeed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erik_g Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I meant that there might be a main switch that activates/deactivates the automatic deployment of the FOD-doors. Like the thrust reversal system on the Viggen, that activates on nose gear compression. But the pilot selects if the thrust reverser should be enabled or not before landing. I can't remember seeing any use of the FOD-doors on either saturday or sunday, but I could recheck my pics to be really sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floggerman Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 They are starting the engines and it was firts the right one, so the door closes. I have seen this on our examples too. You are right, I didn't see the hot air blur behind the right engine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I have asked one of our ex-MiG-29 pilots and it is a Ă¹ùâÂŹĂ âweight on wheelsĂ¹ùâÂŹĂ switch which activates the system for closing the intake protector. It is fully automatic after all we are not in the middle ages to have to do everything manually. :D :D As far as it is known there is no manual override but I am sure one can do something to switch it off. Will have to ask the Russian specialist to look into the manuals for this. Still this has little to do with the up coming kit. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niki4703 Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 As far as I know there is a HAD decal for the Hungarian aircraft in this markings! Best regards Gabor Thanks a lot, Gabor. Unfortunately all I could make out on their website are the decals for the aforementioned Gripen-style camo, with Puma and crest in dull black only (this decal I already own): http://images-cdn.ecwid.com/images/788075/24414285.jpg Should you know something about the earlier version, please let us know. Cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Thanks a lot, Gabor. Unfortunately all I could make out on their website are the decals for the aforementioned Gripen-style camo, with Puma and crest in dull black only (this decal I already own): http://images-cdn.ecwid.com/images/788075/24414285.jpg Should you know something about the earlier version, please let us know. Cheers! Had a look at their site too. It shows the current decals on offer. I am not sure but I think in the past they did have a sheet with the old markings but I am not 100% and if it is not there in their shop then most probably it is no longer available. In the early 90's I made the photos for their decal sheet but what came in the end from it I don't know. It could have been only a 72nd scale version. The history of the MiG-29 in Hungarian service was very interesting and I was fortunate enough to be there in Kusovskaja (in Russia) for the pilot conversion training all the way to the last ĂąâŹĆlandingù⏠of No.18 when it was delivered to Szolnok on a trailer this June. It is sad that the Fulcrum is gone and it is a criminal waste of resources but that is another story . . . Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haneto Posted September 25, 2012 Author Share Posted September 25, 2012 Thank you all for your encouragemtns and suggestions! Now we have concluded over 100 problems and the molding dept. is correcting molds now. We hope to have Test Shot Ver. 2.0 at the begining of October. Although Su-27 is my favorite aircraft, I would prefer a new series of accurate Mig-25/Mig-31. Come on Yufei, you suggested the Mig-29 to the owner of GWH, please suggest a new Foxbat/Foxhound kit. I know many people will share my opinion. Now waiting for the Fulcrum to arrive. Juan Thank you Juan. I think it still depends on the market feedbacks. I remember someone said that Russian birds sounds to be popular but at last those who maked the models are very few. I personally think that is mainly due to the disappointment to inaccurate shape and hard assembling, and I hope this kit could be an easy-built while accurate enough(cannot say perfect) one to most modellers. I'm no MiG-29 expert but it looks really nice to me! I have a profile drawing that I made (which may not be completely accurate) and did an overlay and the windscreen is off by less than 2 degrees which would only be about .020" in 1/48. Close enough for me. Thank you Chris! I must say it's your professional rsearch and talent skills that create a new attitude to scale modelling, especially Russian aircrafts. It's not difficult to have amazing modelling skills but it's really very precious for the talented modeller to share his achivements with other. Thank you and please keep us amazed! Now I'd like to show you something "fancy", maybe the very first try in model kit products. Please check them with your eyes and the formal products will just be much nicer. Cheers, Yufei Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 couple of Syrian MiG-29 photos showing no roundels on the intakes http://luftwaffeas.blogspot.com/2011/03/syrian-air-force-mig-29.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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