Wayne S Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) I apologize to anyone who did not find the info coming across on this thread was to help the uninformed. I am not a river counter except when it comes to the F-15, I spent more time with my jet than my ex wife. The Revell F-15 besides being the most accurate F-15 on the market is the best fitting kit I have built in a long time, it's absolutely georgeous. I built one over a long weekend and it came out looking pretty good. Just build what you want and how you want it to look, enjoy yourself it's a hobby. Being a F-15 nut, what bothers you more? The humps on the Acad F-15 or the wrongly shaped CFTs on the Revell? For me it is the Revell wrong shaped CFTS. I will most likely get at-least one new Hase F-15E, tho the Rails and Adapters will annoy me LOL. We could have gaffed that part ourselves from the parts bin, Them making us do it right from the instructions, then still having the wrong adapters :wacko: Edited November 15, 2012 by Wayne S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caiotfjr Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I apologize to anyone who did not find the info coming across on this thread was to help the uninformed. I am not a river counter except when it comes to the F-15, I spent more time with my jet than my ex wife. The Revell F-15 besides being the most accurate F-15 on the market is the best fitting kit I have built in a long time, it's absolutely georgeous. I built one over a long weekend and it came out looking pretty good. Just build what you want and how you want it to look, enjoy yourself it's a hobby. Unlike Dave, I'm a specialist at...nothing... Being a modeller, I just read a lot about models I'm interested before forking my hard earned cash. Outline shapes and fit are something I take particular notice. On the other hand, I don't pay too much attention if panel lines or cockpit detailing aren't very accurate. If I can offer some advice, be prepared to discover what turns you on in a model and what you don't care. Some don't have problems using a whole tube of putty in a kit, while others consider raised panel models unbuildable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dedalus Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Academy did do something to the molds of the "F-15E". This is not a defense of Academy, and I only have one of the newer ones as a parts beeyotch. They slightly rounded off the area where the engine humps rise from the rest of the fuselage. But it's still doesn't look like what it's supposed to look like, and what they did looks like what a decent (but not a great) modeler might come up with to downplay the original problem. Whether you can say Academy "updated" the molds is a matter of semantics. They are not the same as they once were, but they are not correct. And since the change on the upper fuselage does not live up to the standards I would set for myself (if I decided to try to fix it) I wouldn't build one. Someday, those parts my find their way into sci-fi scratch build, but that's it. Edited November 15, 2012 by dedalus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Being a F-15 nut, what bothers you more? The humps on the Acad F-15 or the wrongly shaped CFTs on the Revell? For me it is the Revell wrong shaped CFTS. I will most likely get at-least one new Hase F-15E, tho the Rails and Adapters will annoy me LOL. We could have gaffed that part ourselves from the parts bin, Them making us do it right from the instructions, then still having the wrong adapters :wacko: What is wrong with the Revell CFT's? The only thing I can tell that is wrong with them is the over-pronounced panel lines. As near as I can tell, the shape is fine. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j-basset Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Academy did do something to the molds of the "F-15E". This is not a defense of Academy, and I only have one of the newer ones as a parts beeyotch. They slightly rounded off the area where the engine humps rise from the rest of the fuselage. But it's still doesn't look like what it's supposed to look like, and what they did looks like what a decent (but not a great) modeler might come up with to downplay the original problem. Whether you can say Academy "updated" the molds is a matter of semantics. They are not the same as they once were, but they are not correct. And since the change on the upper fuselage does not live up to the standards I would set for myself (if I decided to try to fix it) I wouldn't build one. Someday, those parts my find their way into sci-fi scratch build, but that's it. Yes, I agree. Academy also 'improved' the detail of the vent aft of the canopy, and also the vent on the wing root where the gun is located (along with a couple other vents). Since the updates still fall short, like many others, I bought a few solely for parts to update my Revell and Hasegawa F-15C/D/E's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galfa Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Thank you very much for your accurate listing of the differences between the two versions. Please go ahead with the 1/32 Tamiya F-15C discrepencies because I am very interested. Galfa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Being a F-15 nut, what bothers you more? The humps on the Acad F-15 or the wrongly shaped CFTs on the Revell? For me it is the Revell wrong shaped CFTS. I will most likely get at-least one new Hase F-15E, tho the Rails and Adapters will annoy me LOL. We could have gaffed that part ourselves from the parts bin, Them making us do it right from the instructions, then still having the wrong adapters :wacko: Please tell about the CFT's on the ProMonoVell kit, look fine to me ( might be missing the slight buldge on the bottom, but as to the panel linbes I would say a coat of paint would unpronounce them enough. I have one I built on my desk, looking at it right now and that is all I noticed but thats because of the seeing them everyday thing? Should have an F-35 on my desk considering I am on the program but sounds like a seperation of church and state should be maintained.... :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Thank you very much for your accurate listing of the differences between the two versions. Please go ahead with the 1/32 Tamiya F-15C discrepencies because I am very interested. Galfa Per your request.... Tweak list for the Tamiya C model 1/32 Tamiya C modeldiscrepancies 1) Forward Door on engine hump is not on a C model, C model only has one door for the Engine forward mount. 2) JFS Chimney vents aft of the speedbrake, E model has 6 (3 per side) split on the centerline by additional avionics carried by the E model (panel in the centerline is were this avionics goes). C models only have one vent, which is offset of the centerline, and the panel is not present. 3) Fuel dump not present on panel 113l/r and oil cooler vent not present on panel 95 l/r. 4) Saber Drains on panel 117l/r removed off all F-15’s due to their redundancy (would of saved me a nasty scar on my back if they had done this earlier) 5) Airframe patches on side of the intakes are not present on all aircraft, probably just the 78 model they used at Kadena. 6) AMAD bay cooling scoops (access panel aft of main gear well) was repositioned to inboard side of panel when the chafe/flare mods were installed on the aircraft (MISIP) to prevent the chafe from clogging the vent a causing an overheat condition. 7) Left engine bay access door should only have two latches on the trailing edge, kit has four, two extra’s on the leading edge of the door should not be there. 8) Ribbing? On the forward LAU-106 fuselage stations access doors should not be there. 9) Panel lines around the pitot probes should not be there (this is from dirt on the pitot cover's cushioned pad). 10) Under the left canopy hinge point is Panel 12, this should not have a beef-up patch, probably on the aircraft Tamiya used as a base had this in place. 11) Beef-up on the rudder center hinge point should not be there or as pronounced as they have on the kit rudders. 12) LVS bullet should be longer and larger in diameter then is in the kit. 13) Wing-root anti-collision lights should be larger and a bit more outboard, the ones in the kit are from the E model kit and reflect the E model. 14) C model Horizontal stabs do not have the reinforcement strips as on the E model’s, plus the hinge point just does not look correct, seems a little beefed-up there as well. 15) Struts provided are E model struts, most noticeable would be the oleo on the E which is square and the C which is round. Thus the wheels are E model though not as noticeable with the nose tire and wheel in width and height. 16) Main gear dragbrace hinge springs are the larger type found on the E model although the strut diameter is larger then a C model strut not as noticeable on the model. The main wheels and tire are the E models as well. 17) Engine compressor face is from an E model with a –229 installed. 18) There should be no Circuit Breaker panels on the wall of the fuselage section in Bay 5 (leftover from using the E model forward fuselage barrel), Both wall need to be scrapped and sanded smooth and ribbing added in its place.. 19) Screw post hole on the floor in bay 5 should be eliminated and smoothed over with a new wiring conduit in its place. 20) The Augmentor nozzles (Divergent seals should be 21†) as pointed out by Bruce Radebaugh. Bruce sells corrected replacements for the nozzles. 21) The Tailstinger antennae (“nipplesâ€Â) are of the wrong shape, but different antennas were installed on different aircraft at one time or another or not at all so check reverences on this one. 22) They even got the chalk ropes incorrect, they should be laced, one rope per chalk and laced into the other in a slot cut into one end. The way they show you is for EOR(End of Runway or Quick check) 23) There are somemore dealing with panel line set up but would take allot more time for that as they used the E model fuselage, e Model panels lines are reflected on the surface not C model. Hope this helps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) What is wrong with the Revell CFT's? The only thing I can tell that is wrong with them is the over-pronounced panel lines. As near as I can tell, the shape is fine. Aaron Please tell about the CFT's on the ProMonoVell kit, look fine to me ( might be missing the slight buldge on the bottom, but as to the panel linbes I would say a coat of paint would unpronounce them enough. I have one I built on my desk, looking at it right now and that is all I noticed but thats because of the seeing them everyday thing? Should have an F-35 on my desk considering I am on the program but sounds like a seperation of church and state should be maintained.... :) I notice it all the way up-to the wing route/shoulder, real CFTs give it a more muscular/masculine look. Edited November 15, 2012 by Wayne S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I notice it all the way up-to the wing route/shoulder, real CFTs give it a more muscular/masculine look. I find your "muscular" term pretty funny considering in my 20 year career on the F-15 we would call them "chubby cheeks"....... After looking through my pictures they look very close, I think it is just my memory making me see exactly how they looked without the camera effect.... Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Some Milliput and twenty minutes work....fixed... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Some Milliput and twenty minutes work....fixed... Not even..... Look just fine if I had mine on my desk all this time and did not notice with my MkI eyeball, not noticeable.... Darn now the ProMonoVell is unbuildable, might as well throw it in the circle file and call it a day......... :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonbryon Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Per your request.... Tweak list for the Tamiya C model 1/32 Tamiya C modeldiscrepancies 1) Forward Door on engine hump is not on a C model, C model only has one door for the Engine forward mount. ... I don't suppose you have a similar list lying around for the Hasegawa C/D 1/48 models do you? :-D Actually, I have a question: I am building a Hase C (c.1995). The underside of the front fuselage has four 'blade' antennae moulded in the fuselage halves (plus the one on the nose gear door): 2 larger ones and 2 smaller in between. Yet photos of the airframe I am modelling indicate only one smaller blade antenna and the spacing between them is different. What's the story regarding these? Thanks Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Also note the angle of the stub pylons on the kit vrs the real one. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I don't suppose you have a similar list lying around for the Hasegawa C/D 1/48 models do you? :-D Actually, I have a question: I am building a Hase C (c.1995). The underside of the front fuselage has four 'blade' antennae moulded in the fuselage halves (plus the one on the nose gear door): 2 larger ones and 2 smaller in between. Yet photos of the airframe I am modelling indicate only one smaller blade antenna and the spacing between them is different. What's the story regarding these? Thanks Jon Well the Academy is a copy of the Hasegawa so all the wrong features for the Academy apply to the Hasegawa. I am not saying the Hasegawa kit is bad but the Academy exaggerated the wrong features or outline of the Hasegawa kit to the extent that it is very noticable to someone familiar with the F-15 right off. Look at the parts breakdown between the two kits, though in the wrong order they pretty much could swap parts between with w little tweeking. They even copied the panel lines, the lines around the Pitot probes, on the real aircraft they are actually dirt marks from the cushion on the pitot covers. Mostly on the Hasegawa kit is on the upper fuselage part, Speedbrake on the kit lays in a recessed area, on the real aircraft the speebrake rests on the fuslage top and is faired in on the angled leading edge. The fairing behind the speedbrake is only on the C/D, and ofcourse the infamous engine humps though not as bad as Academy's but not correct just the same. Hasegawa's 1/48 F-15C/D is second inline for accuracie behind the very old Monogram F-15A (marketed as a C but it is not). Just build an enjoy because you know what? Unless I am looking at it no one else will ever know what is wrong... Cheers Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I notice it all the way up-to the wing route/shoulder, real CFTs give it a more muscular/masculine look. Interesting a Shaddy J Rocket with an Albino Radome.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vodnik Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Interesting a Shaddy J Rocket with an Albino Radome.......... ?... All AIM-120C are like that, aren't they?... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Some Milliput and twenty minutes work....fixed... Would take more then that, at least with me anyway. I'll end up fixing the area on one my E's then just keep that one to the front of the others lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Not even..... Look just fine if I had mine on my desk all this time and did not notice with my MkI eyeball, not noticeable.... Darn now the ProMonoVell is unbuildable, might as well throw it in the circle file and call it a day......... :) Others would not notice it much, Me I can notice it from one end of the house to the other at the shoulder line. That has been pretty much a pet peeve area of mine with all E model kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gb_madcat_sl Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 ?... All AIM-120C are like that, aren't they?... I think he's trying to say that it was interesting that in the photo, a 336th FS "Rockteers" F-15 based at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base is apparently fitted with the radome of a light grey F-15A/B/C/D. Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 ?... All AIM-120C are like that, aren't they?... What I meant is a 4th Fighter Wing from Semour Johnson AFB, 336th FS Rocketeers with a C model light gray Radome..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Others would not notice it much, Me I can notice it from one end of the house to the other at the shoulder line. That has been pretty much a pet peeve area of mine with all E model kits. Me I was always a single seater guy, not really into the family truckster with chubby cheeks, Mudhen type..was on the dark side not by choice buyt due to them always breaking or ending up in the mud.... F-15 Eagle, not a pound for ground...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne S Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) Me I was always a single seater guy, not really into the family truckster with chubby cheeks, Mudhen type..was on the dark side not by choice buyt due to them always breaking or ending up in the mud.... F-15 Eagle, not a pound for ground...... I am 99.9% still a single seater guy. In ways it is why I notice things like CFTs, (with me anyhow), doing a walk around, putting my eyes/hands on Eagles. That is what I can visually notice to be different. Also A reason "I guess", why humps on the top of Academy's kits do not bother me as much. Never spent hours on end, up there, to have the humps imprinted into my brain from a bird eye view. Now,,,,Things right at typical view point, most definitely. For those that buy the Acad Es using them for parts spares. Do the F-15C MSIP II kits come with parts people want? Seems that boxing would make more sense, one would still have a buildable single seater. ----------------------------------------- FOR ALL READING THIS.. Keep in mind I am not technically writing about one kit being better then another, that, blaa bla this kit sucks do not bother with it type crap. Me, being an F-15 geek?, I would like to have at-least one of every 1/48th Eagle kit on my display shelf, even fujimi, Tamiya etc. Only thing that changes with me kit accuracy wise is, which kit gets priority over the others decals wise, pilot/squadron/wing etc. Revells F-15E has pretty much been my go-to kit, for the price for building multiples. One thing that some, might not take to thought is, how is it going to be displayed. Inflight or sitting on the ground un-piloted etc. Sometimes, one kit fits the bill better then the others. Sometimes Simplicities outweigh Inadequacies. Edited November 20, 2012 by Wayne S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I am 99.9% still a single seater guy. In ways it is why I notice things like CFTs, (with me anyhow), doing a walk around, putting my eyes/hands on Eagles. That is what I can visually notice to be different. Also A reason "I guess", why humps on the top of Academy's kits do not bother me as much. Never spent hours on end, up there, to have the humps imprinted into my brain from a bird eye view. Now,,,,Things right at typical view point, most definitely. For those that buy the Acad Es using them for parts spares. Do the F-15C MSIP II kits come with parts people want? Seems that boxing would make more sense, one would still have a buildable single seater. ----------------------------------------- FOR ALL READING THIS.. Keep in mind I am not technically writing about one kit being better then another, that, blaa bla this kit sucks do not bother with it type crap. Me, being an F-15 geek?, I would like to have at-least one of every 1/48th Eagle kit on my display shelf, even fujimi, Tamiya etc. Only thing that changes with me kit accuracy wise is, which kit gets priority over the others decals wise, pilot/squadron/wing etc. Revells F-15E has pretty much been my go-to kit, for the price for building multiples. One thing that some, might not take to thought is, how is it going to be displayed. Inflight or sitting on the ground un-piloted etc. Sometimes, one kit fits the bill better then the others. Sometimes Simplicities outweigh Inadequacies. If you get a chance lay down in between the engine humps and it's like being a baby sleeping in its mother's boosom..... During the shield and the first storm you wanted to stay off the ground and sometimes your jet was the best place to watch the stars...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
White Wolf Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 For those that buy the Acad Es using them for parts spares. Do the F-15C MSIP II kits come with parts people want? Seems that boxing would make more sense, one would still have a buildable single seater. I did that with my Hasegawa F-15E. You get most of the important E and K parts in the Academy F-15C box and almost all of them are labelled optional, including the CFT pylons for the E and K, bulged doors, JDAMS, Paveways, and SLAM-ERs, both types of nozzles, and Lantirn and Sniper pods (no clear parts for it though). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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