streetstream Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 OK, so first of all, sorry for all the questions, but saterday i may choose my christmas gift and i want to get the right one. Now, in my LHS there are to revell 1/32 tornado kits available. One is the ECR tiger meet one and the other is the german IDS. Now i actually wanted a English one, so i looked it up on (god forgive me) wikipedia. It states there that the British GR1's - GR4's are IDS aircraft. So, can you build one (without expensive aftermarkets) from the german IDS kit, or is that a no go? I will try and look up some more stuff, but any help is welcome. I understand that weaponary is different on both planes, but other than that, are there any visual differences? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Hegedus Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 There are a few external differences between the Brit GR-1 and GR-4 aircraft and the German/Italian IDS aircraft. The biggest difference is the sensor fairing(s) under the Brit forward fuselages that are not present on the IDS version. So, if you want to build a British Tornado from the IDS kit, you'll need to find either someone who has a British version release and built it as an IDS version, or aftermarket parts for the Brit-specific bits. The IDS and ECR boxings do not have the Brit-specific parts in them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stikpusher Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 The German IDS should be very similar to the RAF GR.1 Tornado. The GR-1A thru GR-4 are where the additional fairings and sensors come in to play between variants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longmc Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I apologize for hi-jacking the thread, but I think these are similar enough to not warrant a new one: What about the 1/48 hobbyboss kits? Are the needed parts to build a Brit from the German IDS boxing? cheers, Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stikpusher Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I was just checking various websites, and indeed the GR-1 is the same as the basic IDS Tornado used by Germany, Italy, and other nations. All subsequent versions have their detail differences. So yes, an early RAF basic GR-1 should be a case of new paint job and markings from the German IDS kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
polybebber Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I apologize for hi-jacking the thread, but I think these are similar enough to not warrant a new one: What about the 1/48 hobbyboss kits? Are the needed parts to build a Brit from the German IDS boxing? cheers, Mike Yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Neither the IDS or ECR boxing of the Revell 1/32 Tornado have the parts for an RAF GR. The specific GR.1 boxing of the kit had a large sprue with RAF Tornado specific parts and stores added to the base IDS plastic. You could build a German IDS from the GR.1 boxing, but not the other way around. The ECR boxing was the IDS plastic with a sprue with some ECR specific parts and HARM missiles. Only the GR.1 boxing had the GR.1 parts. HTH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The German IDS should be very similar to the RAF GR.1 Tornado. The GR-1A thru GR-4 are where the additional fairings and sensors come in to play between variants. Not quite. A very small number of GR.1's were initially delivered without the undernose Ferranti LRMTS fairing, but all had the ILS antennae which the German birds (and Revells ECR/IDS kits) lack. They also flew with the Sky Shadow ECM pod fitted as standard - also not in the ECR/IDS kit. In short - for a RAF bird, go with the GR.1 kit or be prepared to shell out for aftermarket. HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 Not quite. A very small number of GR.1's were initially delivered without the undernose Ferranti LRMTS fairing, but all had the ILS antennae which the German birds (and Revells ECR/IDS kits) lack. They also flew with the Sky Shadow ECM pod fitted as standard - also not in the ECR/IDS kit. In short - for a RAF bird, go with the GR.1 kit or be prepared to shell out for aftermarket. HTH, Andre Well, my LHS only has the ECR and IDS kit and i wanted to build a desert camo RAF tornado as seen in opeartion desert storm, but i think i'll have to settle for a german bird (wich are also nice, but they didn't feature in desert storm). But i'll go sown to my LHS on saterday and maybe be surprised to find a GR1 kit. It's not the first time i get surprised to find a nice kit i wasn't expecting. Anyway thanks for the input you guys. I will remember that the basic aircraft is the same except for the stores and a few pods/sensors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 I apologize for hi-jacking the thread, but I think these are similar enough to not warrant a new one: What about the 1/48 hobbyboss kits? Are the needed parts to build a Brit from the German IDS boxing? cheers, Mike No apology necessary. It is practically the same question. I would have done the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well, my LHS only has the ECR and IDS kit and i wanted to build a desert camo RAF tornado as seen in opeartion desert storm, but i think i'll have to settle for a german bird (wich are also nice, but they didn't feature in desert storm). You could build an Italian Fin - they flew in DS as well and are baseline IDS's without the RAF-specific protrusions. Cheers, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantomdriver Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/relish-resins-1-32-tornado-gr1-and-gr4-lrtms-pod.html http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/relish-resins-1-32-tornado-gr4-gr4a-flir-pod.html http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/relish-resins-1-32-tornado-gr1a-gr4a-irls-pod.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/relish-resins-1-32-tornado-gr1-and-gr4-lrtms-pod.html http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/relish-resins-1-32-tornado-gr4-gr4a-flir-pod.html http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/relish-resins-1-32-tornado-gr1a-gr4a-irls-pod.html Thanks, those look great and don't seem to make the model that expensive knowing that the kit itself is 40 euros (+-32.5 pounds). I will have to look into it, but first, i have to wait untill saterday and see if i can find the kit as i only saw it advertised in a e-mail send to me. I hope by than it isn't sold out. (could also be that i am tempted by something else i find there. Christmas shopping is the only time a year where my girlfriend doesn't mind if i spend 2 hours looking at kits. God bless her) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantomdriver Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I have the 1/48 version, and they're nice There's even , in the forum pages of relish (see on the sidebar) a short vid on how to mask/ sand to shape from the casting block... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IrishGreek Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 my girlfriend doesn't mind if i spend 2 hours looking at kits. God bless her) She's a keeper! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stikpusher Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Not quite. A very small number of GR.1's were initially delivered without the undernose Ferranti LRMTS fairing, but all had the ILS antennae which the German birds (and Revells ECR/IDS kits) lack. They also flew with the Sky Shadow ECM pod fitted as standard - also not in the ECR/IDS kit. In short - for a RAF bird, go with the GR.1 kit or be prepared to shell out for aftermarket. HTH, Andre Just curious, but what sort of antenna is used for the ILS one and where is it located? Is it a blade type that could be easily scratched from some strip styrene, or a bump type? :huh: Of course ordinance and ECM pods are a whole different ball of wax Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just curious, but what sort of antenna is used for the ILS one and where is it located? These are the blade antennae on both sides of the vertical tail - 'Net photo: HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stikpusher Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Thanks! That looks like a very easy scratch build modification, if I ever do a RAF Tornado and the kit does not have those. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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