Laurent Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Replacement for the Aer Moldova/MSV/Cooperativa/etc twin-seater Su-25 with its 2-3mm thick single piece canopy . http://modelsua.com/Sukhoi-Su-28-trainer-1-72-Art-Model-7211.html Edited December 27, 2012 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dragan_mig31 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Isn`t this the same old KP/cooperativa kit only reworked a little with some new parts?As I can see the front fuselage has the 30MM canon opening and the su-28 doesn`t have a cannon.Maybe this can be buuilt into a su-25UB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niki4703 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 The looks of the landing gear legs alone (compared to the Aer Moldova/ KP...) signal to this computer user that austerity won't be an option in 2013 either. This puppy is waiting its turn in the personal project lineup for many years now: Su-25UTG Ukraine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K-5 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) The looks of the landing gear legs alone (compared to the Aer Moldova/ KP...) signal to this computer user that austerity won't be an option in 2013 either. This puppy is waiting its turn in the personal project lineup for many years now: Su-25UTG Ukraine :woot.gif:/>/> ModelART suggested there will be a new line up of Frogfoot kits in 2013, Su-28 is just limited release with Su-25UTG and Su-25UB coming later on. If you look at the engine nacelle break down they may eventually make a new tool Su-25T and Su-39. UPD: Scalemodels just posted rather good in-box first look Edited December 27, 2012 by K-5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) A decent 1/72 Frogfoot? Can it be true? Scalemodels.ru has a thorough look in the box (LINK). EDIT: K-5 was a bit faster. B) Any words on a single-seater? I could use several. I think I have aftermarket decals for more 1/72 Frogfoots than there are/were 1/1 Frogfoots. :lol: Edited December 27, 2012 by ChernayaAkula Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exluppis Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Single seater? Why? There is excellent Zvezda kit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 ^ Excellent? It's okay at best. And that's just the parts aft of the cockpit. The nose is simply horrible. I'd very much welcome a newly tooled 1/72 kit of a single-seater/low-back Su-25. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Thompson Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 ^ Excellent? It's okay at best. And that's just the parts aft of the cockpit. The nose is simply horrible. I'd very much welcome a newly tooled 1/72 kit of a single-seater/low-back Su-25. Amen to that - the nose is so horrible that it's worth saying again - "The nose is simply horrible!" Yes, a brand-new, accurate 1/72 Su-25 single-seater would be very welcome! John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 Single seater? Why? There is excellent Zvezda kit! FYI an old nose discussion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 Scalemodels.ru has a thorough look in the box (LINK). I which I learnt Russian. Walker (Mister Prop & Jet) posts seem to be interesting. I'm looking at the surface detailing and it really looks like a (carelessely ?) reworked Aer Moldova/whatever. I fell in the MiG-23UB trap so I'm cautious about Art Models kits now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K-5 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I which I learnt Russian. Walker (Mister Prop & Jet) posts seem to be interesting. I'm looking at the surface detailing and it really looks like a (carelessely ?) reworked Aer Moldova/whatever. I fell in the MiG-23UB trap so I'm cautious about Art Models kits now. Basically says he won't jump to conclusions until the actual kit is at hand. Some possible minor flaws are odd shaped bottom fuselage part in between armored engine inspection panels (my observation: might not be an error-Su-28 has no armor and no cold air mixer-funnels), boundary layer splitter between intake body and fuselage is too rounded and shallow- should be sharper. Then, he goes on to praise kit's firmly captured, subtle fuselage curves and mold-in shapes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 Basically says he won't jump to conclusions until the actual kit is at hand. Some possible minor flaws are odd shaped bottom fuselage part in between armored engine inspection panels (my observation: might not be an error-Su-28 has no armor and no cold air mixer-funnels), boundary layer splitter between intake body and fuselage is too rounded and shallow- should be sharper. Then, he goes on to praise kit's firmly captured, subtle fuselage curves and mold-in shapes. Thanks K-5 ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
digit Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Anyone else think the vertical tail is too low? Something I like however is that Art Model included intake trunking. The first one in 1/72 scale, if I recall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Anyone else think the vertical tail is too low? I'm no Su-25 specialist but perhaps the twin-seaters had higher fins and AM provides a single-seater fin ? Edited December 28, 2012 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Thompson Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 FYI an old nose discussion Thank you for the link, Laurent! I liked Janman's comment where he says: "Every time I see this photo - and it's been shown very often here - I feel frustration. Such an important aircraft, so crappy models... I have one in my "stashette", but I don't feel like making a model out of it." I agree completely! At one time I was so in love with the Su-25 that I built and finished the OEZ 1/48 kit. Even though it's the wrong scale, I really wanted a Su-25, and there wasn't a good one in 1/72. This was after I spent many hours and much putty trying to correct the Hobbycraft 1/72 Su-25... John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Exluppis Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 FYI an old nose discussion Ok, you were right. .-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Anyone else think the vertical tail is too low? I'm no Su-25 specialist but perhaps the twin-seaters had higher fins and AM provides a single-seater fin ? Yes, the double-seaters have taller tails than the low-back single-seaters. Going by shape and details, Art Model does supply a twin-seater fin. I did a quick and dirty (MS Paint and way too crude to post) overlay of the pic of the Art Model tail in the scalemodels.ru review and THESE DRAWINGS. It may be a mm or two too short in height. It looks like the tail is merely clipped at the top. A little styrene added to the top and sanded to shape should do the trick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Anyone fancy doing a folding wing Su-25UTG...... ?? ..... or even a three-seat Su-25UZ ?? :woot.gif:/>/> Happy New Year to one and all....... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
digit Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I received one of these kits today and my initial impression is mixed but mostly positive. Overall shape seems ok, and panel lines are finely engraved, though not very sharp. I would classify this as good for short run. The landing gear are quite nice, though gear wells are completely void of detail. Anyway the wells are realistically deep. The (single part) resin cockpits are well detailed but of mediocre casting quality. The seat is copy of NeOmega, complete with the flaw of tilted headrest. Windshield is incorrect (now why am I not surprised...). It has constant width, but the bottom part should be wider than the top. Two rear canopies are included, with and without periscope. The clear parts distort quite heavily but they are thin and clear. The forward portion of the wingtip pods look oddly rounded, they should be more pointed. I still think that the vertical tail is too low, but only slightly so. At least the tip looks too wide when comparing to photos. The rumors of Su-25UB release might be true, as this kit also includes some additional parts which are not to be used: the gun (replaced by fairing), the "towel rail" antenna under the aft fuselage, the tail chaff/flare dispensers (replaced by fairing) and the landing light glare shields under the wingtips. As far as I can see, the only missing things are the pylons. If you have a Zvezda kit you won't build, here is your chance to make some use of it. Summary: Well... it is the best injection molded 1/72 Su-28 kit around. Pros: - intake trunking included - almost complete Su-25UB - nice landing gear Cons: - poor windscreen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the kit, digit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 Thank you Digit for the review. Is the kit based on the MSV/Aer Moldova/whatever Su-25UB (same shape characteristics) ? it's probably more "civilized" but did they actually improve things ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
digit Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Is the kit based on the MSV/Aer Moldova/whatever Su-25UB (same shape characteristics) ? it's probably more "civilized" but did they actually improve things ? I don't have any other twin seater kits, so no side by side comparison from me is possible. But comparing with the photos in this thread, I think Art Model kit is completely new. If it is based on the Cooperativa kit, Art Model did a lot of work: - The bottom fuselage shape is totally different between engines. No idea which one (if either) is correct, as in most photos this area is hidden behind the engines. - The wing top/bottom split is different. - Cooperativa has separate wingtip pods, rudder and ailerons. - Cooperativa has one piece canopy which includes only the clear part of the rear canopy. Art Model has separate clear parts for windshield, middle section and two complete canopies. - Art Model has big recesses in the fuselage, where the boundary layer splitters which are parts of engine pods go. Cooperativa has boundary layer splitter there. The shapes are totally different. - Art Model has intake trunking. - All small parts and details are much nicer in Art Model kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
digit Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 ART Su-25UB is now out: http://modelsua.com/Sukhoi-Su-25UB-FROGFOOT-1-72-ArtModel-7212.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldpainless Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I received one of these kits today and my initial impression is mixed but mostly positive. Overall shape seems ok, and panel lines are finely engraved, though not very sharp. I would classify this as good for short run. The landing gear are quite nice, though gear wells are completely void of detail. Anyway the wells are realistically deep. The (single part) resin cockpits are well detailed but of mediocre casting quality. The seat is copy of NeOmega, complete with the flaw of tilted headrest. Windshield is incorrect (now why am I not surprised...). It has constant width, but the bottom part should be wider than the top. Two rear canopies are included, with and without periscope. The clear parts distort quite heavily but they are thin and clear. The forward portion of the wingtip pods look oddly rounded, they should be more pointed. I still think that the vertical tail is too low, but only slightly so. At least the tip looks too wide when comparing to photos. The rumors of Su-25UB release might be true, as this kit also includes some additional parts which are not to be used: the gun (replaced by fairing), the "towel rail" antenna under the aft fuselage, the tail chaff/flare dispensers (replaced by fairing) and the landing light glare shields under the wingtips. As far as I can see, the only missing things are the pylons. If you have a Zvezda kit you won't build, here is your chance to make some use of it. Summary: Well... it is the best injection molded 1/72 Su-28 kit around. Pros: - intake trunking included - almost complete Su-25UB - nice landing gear Cons: - poor windscreen Digit, can you tell us the quality of the decals included in the kit?? Regards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
digit Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I have no experience in Art Model decals. I can't really say what happens when you wet them. The decals seem quite thin, with somewhat pale colors when compared to photos of Su-28. Take a look at the inbox review posted earlier. The decals look like this: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/myarticles/img_5910_1356400624_35.jpg.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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