streetstream Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Does anybody know where i can find good airliners scale drawings. I'm always surprised to see that people have such great drawings. Now i'm looking for drawings for all mayor airliners but most of all for the A310 and A330/340. Thanks in advance Edited February 18, 2013 by streetstream Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 If you mean "accurate" when you say "good", the answer is that there aren't any. They simply don't exist. Airframe manufacturers have no need to produce accurate scale drawings. I've been at this for over 20 years (airliner decals), and they simply do not exist. Those that do exist have been created by enthusiasts. The A330/340 are long term drawing projects of mine. In order to create accurate drawings you need lots of technical data from the manufacturer, thousands of photos, and LOTS of time. I've probably spent a couple of thousand hours all told on my 737 family of drawings over the years. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 If you mean "accurate" when you say "good", the answer is that there aren't any. They simply don't exist. Airframe manufacturers have no need to produce accurate scale drawings. I've been at this for over 20 years (airliner decals), and they simply do not exist. Those that do exist have been created by enthusiasts. The A330/340 are long term drawing projects of mine. In order to create accurate drawings you need lots of technical data from the manufacturer, thousands of photos, and LOTS of time. I've probably spent a couple of thousand hours all told on my 737 family of drawings over the years. J First of all, thank you for the input. By good, I indeed mean accurate. As for the availability or excistance of the drawings i search, i will rely on your experience. But i found this video (link below) were a person is building a large A380 model and he has some (not all) drawings including cross sections. I was mostly interessed in a profile of these planes, but cross sections also help. I'm also looking for the location of pitot tubes and sensors. Maybe that is available? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AV O Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Does anybody know where i can find good airliners scale drawings. I'm always surprised to see that people have such great drawings. Now i'm looking for drawings for all mayor airliners but most of all for the A310 and A330/340. Thanks in advance Check your PM. Cheers. AV O Edited February 19, 2013 by AV O Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Some of that is available in the maintenance manuals, but you have to know where to look, and every manufacturer's system is different. By far the easiest way to find the location of things like pitot tubes is to look for detail photos (of which there are thousands) on www.airliners.net Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Thanks everyone for your input. I'm still missing high detail profile drawings, but as been pointed out, there might be a chance that those don't exsist. I have some basic profile drawings, so i can get a sense of what it should look like and i got some really good info on door placement and engine size (thanks to AV O). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bzn20 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Some of that is available in the maintenance manuals, but you have to know where to look, and every manufacturer's system is different. By far the easiest way to find the location of things like pitot tubes is to look for detail photos (of which there are thousands) on www.airliners.net The Standard system for maintenance manuals and IPC all use the same ATA 100 system.Thats Boeings since 1959 at least with the 707,Lockheed,Douglas,Airbus,BAC,BAe.Vickers. Old aircraft use a different volume and chapter format.Comets,Viscounts for instance.Not sure about Vanguards and Tridents. The VC10 manuals used this format and was the 1st British Airliner to use the system falling inline with Boeing and Douglas. I'll list some of the chapters that I deal with (Airframes) some of the other chapters are for other trades,engines,electrics,avionics etc. You might find pitot/static in chap 30 pitot static anti ice and 34 pitot static system 1 Introduction 5 Inspections Types of servicing A,B,C,D check etc.and periods between.flying hours and/or time period 7 Lifting/shoring Jacking,lifting and supporting etc. 25 Equipment/furnishings cabin panels,internal doors,toilets,galleys etc. 27 Flying controls 28 Fuel system 53 Fuselage 55 Stabs Horizontal and vertical 56 Windows 57 Wings Illustrated Parts Catalogues (IPC)are ace for assemblies and positioning.The chapter numbers and system/area in the IPC are the same.Fuel pump 28,elevator 27 and toilet seat 25! If you want some manuals go to Ebay.You can get the real books or all the volumes on disc.Which is better than a half ton wall of paper 12 foot long Edited February 22, 2013 by bzn20 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 The Standard system for maintenance manuals and IPC all use the same ATA 100 system.Thats Boeings since 1959 at least with the 707,Lockheed,Douglas,Airbus,BAC,BAe.Vickers. Old aircraft use a different volume and chapter format.Comets,Viscounts for instance.Not sure about Vanguards and Tridents. The VC10 manuals used this format and was the 1st British Airliner to use the system falling inline with Boeing and Douglas. I'll list some of the chapters that I deal with (Airframes) some of the other chapters are for other trades,engines,electrics,avionics etc. You might find pitot/static in chap 30 pitot static anti ice and 34 pitot static system 1 Introduction 5 Inspections Types of servicing A,B,C,D check etc.and periods between.flying hours and/or time period 7 Lifting/shoring Jacking,lifting and supporting etc. 25 Equipment/furnishings cabin panels,internal doors,toilets,galleys etc. 27 Flying controls 28 Fuel system 53 Fuselage 55 Stabs Horizontal and vertical 56 Windows 57 Wings Illustrated Parts Catalogues (IPC)are ace for assemblies and positioning.The chapter numbers and system/area in the IPC are the same.Fuel pump 28,elevator 27 and toilet seat 25! If you want some manuals go to Ebay.You can get the real books or all the volumes on disc.Which is better than a half ton wall of paper 12 foot long Well, friday i bought a few manuals. It has a lot of illustrations on possitioning of doors, hatches, the lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bzn20 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 streetstream Great stuff.Hope you got all the info you needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 streetstream Great stuff.Hope you got all the info you needed. Well, i only could look at it for 5 minutes so i haven't had time to check all the info, but together with the airport planning manuals that AV O has provided, i did get a lot of info. Still haven't got a nice profile drawing, but i think that was reaching a bit to far. I hope to process the info soon, because at the end of this year, i would like to start my 1/144 A310 and one day buy the 1/72 A310. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bzn20 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 A Profile drawing good enough for what you need isnt going to be any Maint Manual(MM).Try Chapter 11, Placards and Markings,both Internal and external has dimensioning and Usually has a half decent drawing.I cant remember the A310's MM that well.If you look thru the disc it sometimes mentions Stn No's.So there is another way to find the position.Look at Chap.6 this gives the dimensions,zones,Stations,Water lines and Butt lines.Station is the distance from where ever the designer says it is.It might not be the very front part of the airframe.Its same for the other dimensions too.As long as the 0.0 Datum in all 3 planes (back-front,left-right and up-down) is known then everything else will fall in.Waterline is the height above the lowest point of the fuselage.Butt line is the distance from the center line (center being 0.0 normally)so you end up with Butt line 1" right or left viewed from the back.So you end up with three different dimensions to find the exact point you want to find.All you have to do then is to scale it to what you're building! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 A Profile drawing good enough for what you need isnt going to be any Maint Manual(MM).Try Chapter 11, Placards and Markings,both Internal and external has dimensioning and Usually has a half decent drawing.I cant remember the A310's MM that well.If you look thru the disc it sometimes mentions Stn No's.So there is another way to find the position.Look at Chap.6 this gives the dimensions,zones,Stations,Water lines and Butt lines.Station is the distance from where ever the designer says it is.It might not be the very front part of the airframe.Its same for the other dimensions too.As long as the 0.0 Datum in all 3 planes (back-front,left-right and up-down) is known then everything else will fall in.Waterline is the height above the lowest point of the fuselage.Butt line is the distance from the center line (center being 0.0 normally)so you end up with Butt line 1" right or left viewed from the back.So you end up with three different dimensions to find the exact point you want to find.All you have to do then is to scale it to what you're building! Sadly i don't have the maint. Manual for the A310. I have the 2 volumes of component location training manual and the ATA 100 index for the A310-200 and A310-300. i also have the airplane caracteristics for airport planning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bzn20 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Have a look at this PDF go down to 1-20 page 2 all the station No's Fuse and wing.I'll keep looking and see if I can find something else. http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/files/tech_data/ARM/ARM_A310.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bzn20 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 All chapters Maint manual A310 on disc for $9.99 http://carburetor-manual.com/airbus-a310-aircraft-maintenance-manual-p-3512.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 All chapters Maint manual A310 on disc for $9.99 http://carburetor-manual.com/airbus-a310-aircraft-maintenance-manual-p-3512.html Thanks for the advice. I noticed that one too, but i don't know if the site can be trusted. On the other hand, it's only 10 bucks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bzn20 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) It looks OK to me.Are you getting malware warnings?I'm not.Or do you mean can you trust them?Because you can pay by paypal,which means if it aint legit.You get your money back. Edited February 28, 2013 by bzn20 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
streetstream Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 It looks OK to me.Are you getting malware warnings?I'm not.Or do you mean can you trust them?Because you can pay by paypal,which means if it aint legit.You get your money back. I'm not getting any malware, i just don't like internet shopping, but i will charge my Paypal and give it a try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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