Jennings Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) http://nation.time.com/2013/02/21/sequestration-is-for-sissies-6-9-billion-more-for-the-f-22/ "Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract (FA8611-13-D-2850) with a ceiling of $6,900,000,000 for F-22 modernization…This award is a result of a sole source acquisition." This is just before almost 800,000 DoD civilians are going to get a pink slip - among many, many other really fun things. In-freaking-credible. $350 million apiece for fighters that can once in a while actually get off the ground. Edited February 22, 2013 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Crazy Snap Captain Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Awesome... :/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Think of all the jobs that it'll save ... -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhantomPhreakII Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Think of all the jobs that it'll save ... -Gregg I believe it will save jobs... but what was the original sticker price of an F-22??? Harald Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TaiidanTomcat Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It would have saved more jobs had that been used to buy more F-22s in the first place. Hindsight is awesome Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) http://nation.time.com/2013/02/21/sequestration-is-for-sissies-6-9-billion-more-for-the-f-22/ "Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract (FA8611-13-D-2850) with a ceiling of $6,900,000,000 for F-22 modernization…This award is a result of a sole source acquisition." This is just before almost 800,000 DoD civilians are going to get a pink slip - among many, many other really fun things. In-freaking-credible. $350 million apiece for fighters that can once in a while actually get off the ground. This contract is for multiple upgrades to the F-22 fleet over a 10 year period. The $6 billion isn't getting spent in full this year. Even something that was cutting edge still needs to be improved over time. It's no different than any other weapons system (or civilian airliner for that matter). ID/IQ contracts in my opinion are bogus but they seem to be standard for stuff like this. Given that LM built the plane, it's doubtful that there would be much to gain by sending this work out for bid. The timing shouldn't matter. DoD still has to do their mission, regardless of sequestration. As far as not being able to get off the ground, my understanding is that they are pretty much back in full operations, with most of the restrictions lifted. Can't pass judgement on the cost (which I admit does seem a bit excessive) but if you look at the description of the various upgrades, they will add quite a bit to the performance / survivability of the Raptor. Lets see if the work actually gets done on time / budget. I'm not as optimistic on that point. Edited February 22, 2013 by 11bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 6,9*109/10 years/188 (187?)= 3,67 million USD per aircraft per year. Or 36,7 million per aircraft in total for modernization. Would be interesting how that compares with B-2 modernization for example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spongebob Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Yawn. As pointed out...note the word "ceiling"; essentially the total line of credit. Each delivery order under the ID/IQ will have a negotiated price. Plus the way things are at the moment I doubt any funding will be moved anytime soon - this was most likely done to keep L-M from laying off the talent. Spongebob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jester292 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) nevermind Edited March 4, 2013 by jester292 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 "'Status quo' is, as you know, Latin for 'The Mess We're In.'" :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnopfor Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 This is just before almost 800,000 DoD civilians are going to get a pink slip - among many, many other really fun things. In-freaking-credible. $350 million apiece for fighters that can once in a while actually get off the ground. Do you mean like the 1 Billion Dollar aid package that the current admin is getting ready to give to Egypt? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toadwbg Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Do you mean like the 1 Billion Dollar aid package that the current admin is getting ready to give to Egypt? $0.8 zillion, which makes ZERO cents (a great pun there for maximum enjoyment!). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonW Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Look it's another Jennings grenade toss thread........ Steve, can we get a grenade tossing smiley face? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
otis252 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 With all due respect, 800,000 civilian DOD workers are not going to get "pink slips". At least we're spending our money on our jets. I'm waiting for an answer why we gave the Muslim Brotherhood 20 F-16C Blk 52's, 210 M1A2 tanks and now john Kerry goes to Morsi with hat in hand and gives them $250M in cash. Chuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Oh screw it. Let's just nuke everyone that doesn't agree with us. The only ones that matter to us are the christians and the jews. Everyone else is just a target. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonW Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 The penguin on top of your television will now explode........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
otis252 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 JPK, who in the hell said nuke everybody except the Christians and Jews and make everyone else targets?? I just questioned during these tough times the wisdom of handing half a billion dollars over to a country, led by a regime that doesn't "agree" with us, much less like us. If I'm not mistaken, our current administration still labels the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist group. Gosh, we're so sensitive. Nuke everybody??? Jeeze. Chuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Look it's another Jennings grenade toss thread........ :rolleyes:/>/> Steve, can we get a grenade tossing smiley face? Will this do, Jason ? -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vince14 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Vince Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonW Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Will this do, Jason ? -Gregg That's perfect Gregg, thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'm waiting for an answer why we gave the Muslim Brotherhood 20 F-16C Blk 52's, 210 M1A2 tanks and now john Kerry goes to Morsi with hat in hand and gives them $250M in cash. Chuck Can't remember whether I am on a modeling website or fauxnews.com. The difference is becoming blurred. I'd answer in a bit more detail but a previous go-round on the pro's and con's of foreign aid was culled by the admin team. If you can't find anything else positive on the above, at least keep in mind that having a nation equipped with US weapons does give us some significant leverage if we ever break ties completely. I highly doubt this deal included a guarantee of life time spares and tech support. If we chose to, within a short time, these planes would be on the ground out of service. I wouldn't be surprised either if some of the software might have been "modified" to allow certain other nations to access it if needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toadwbg Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Vince Freekin' Sweet! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Can't remember whether I am on a modeling website or fauxnews.com. The difference is becoming blurred. I'd answer in a bit more detail but a previous go-round on the pro's and con's of foreign aid was culled by the admin team. If you can't find anything else positive on the above, at least keep in mind that having a nation equipped with US weapons does give us some significant leverage if we ever break ties completely. I highly doubt this deal included a guarantee of life time spares and tech support. If we chose to, within a short time, these planes would be on the ground out of service. I wouldn't be surprised either if some of the software might have been "modified" to allow certain other nations to access it if needed. Pretty much like any Media's news sites ... -Gregg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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