F-4 Research Corner

[bashace]

Stefen,

I have the Royal Navy FG.1 boxing. The markings you are referring to are on the decal sheet.

Boxing...

Markings (92 and 93) on decal sheet...

V/r

Ron

[Stefan buysse]

Hi,

Thanks for looking that up, Ron.

The good news is that I also found this marking on the old "Maintrack Models" sheet. :blush:

Well, in my defence I can say that these are "Clear-fix decals", they are not that easy to see under their protective paper.

If I use them, I must place them tacky side down on the model and put a few drops of water on the backing paper. The water then dissolves the backing paper.

That sounds "interesting", doesn't it? But it was a pretty cool sheet with which every British Phantom Squadron could be done.

Cheers, Stefan.

[Bigasshammm]

What the difference between a RF-4b and a F-4B? I have an impact decals sheet that has a cool scheme for an rf-4b and am wondering if I get the academy kit what id have to change.

[Pete]

The RF-4B was equipped with a recce nose, with cameras and SLAR. To make an RF-4B out of the F-4B, you'll need to do an awful lot of work. An easier option would be getting the Hasegawa RF-4B kit for a late RF-4B. If you want an early RF-4B (thinner wings, like all F-4B's had), you could try to convert the basic F-4B kit using either the recce nose from the Hasegawa kit, or try to find a Black Box conversion set.

Some pics to show the difference:

F-4B

RF-4B

And that's just the basics. Some RF-4B's also had those ducts on the intakes, and longer petals on the exhausts. It all depends on which plane and in which timeframe you want to build one.

[31Tiger]

What the difference between a RF-4b and a F-4B? I have an impact decals sheet that has a cool scheme for an rf-4b and am wondering if I get the academy kit what id have to change.

Big difference! The RF-4B is a photo reccon plane, and thus has a nose full of camera's, The F-4B is a fighter with a radar nose. If you want a RF-4B in 1/48 its best to get a Hasegawa RF-4B

[Bigasshammm]

Ill look for one then since I don't think ill be selling the decal sheet. May as well use it.

[Spectre711]

5057 Pantoms

Is a good place for reference photos if your looking.;)/>

[bikerider]

5057 Pantoms

Is a good place for reference photos if your looking.;)/>/>/>

Great resource. Thanks.

[Bigasshammm]

Ill look for one then since I don't think ill be selling the decal sheet. May as well use it.

Plastic weapons turned me on to a sweet deal on a hase rf-4b at HLJ so ill have one on its way to me soon. Not sure when I can start it though. Have to replace compressor first.

[HOLMES]

This is a link to Jay Chladeks fantastic Phantom variant guide.

http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=3&t=148643

V/r

Ron

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Okay here is the ARC thread that you wanted to see....

http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=148643

[Frank Kranick]

The RF-4B was equipped with a recce nose, with cameras and SLAR. To make an RF-4B out of the F-4B, you'll need to do an awful lot of work. An easier option would be getting the Hasegawa RF-4B kit for a late RF-4B. If you want an early RF-4B (thinner wings, like all F-4B's had), you could try to convert the basic F-4B kit using either the recce nose from the Hasegawa kit, or try to find a Black Box conversion set.

Some pics to show the difference:

F-4B

RF-4B

And that's just the basics. Some RF-4B's also had those ducts on the intakes, and longer petals on the exhausts. It all depends on which plane and in which timeframe you want to build one.

The Hasegawa RF-4B kit (1/48th) has the thicker wing of the last 10 or so airframes built of the 46 RF-4Bs. Of these, seven were built with the more commonly seen 'angular' nose (the lower area where the cameras are installed) and three of the last ten had the rounder nose; both noses are included in the kit. Decals for both types of airframe are also included though one would be incorrect for an early RF-4B with the thin wing and the shorter turkey feathered tailpipes. These differences are spelled out and illustrated in the Detail & Scale book on USN Phantoms.

Someone made a recce nose conversion in 1/48th but I forgot who produced it - I'll have to check my stash at home as I have one of these nose conversion sets. I don't know how it'll graft onto the Academy F-4B kit so more research will be required...

Frank

[kurnass77]

HI guys, a couple of questions regarding my build:

- in the videoclip that I've mentioned in my topic,"my" plane,like any other squadron plane showed in the footage, show the distinctive red/blue/white stripe on the fin,and both in thr upper and lower wings,close to the tips. The CAM sheet supply only these on the fin so I'll paint all with airbrush.

Which colors on the Gunze/Tamiya range I can use for the red and the blue ( the same of the star and bars) ?

-again,I've noted that the Silver Eagles was the only squadron without the Walkways on its planes as showed both from the aforementioned video and the pics find on the net;someone can confirme this?

Thanks,

Gianni.

[Gene K]

TAIL CODES

Can anyone point me to list of Phantom tail codes?

I am particularly interested in the 40th Tactical Fighter Squadron at Eglin AFB while doing testing on the F-4E around 1967 - 1968.

Thanks,

Gene K

[kurnass77]

Gene,

I consulted my ref. books and in "Spirit in the Skyes" the tail code during the '67-'68 timeframe was EE.

Giannin

[Gene K]

...the tail code during the '67-'68 timeframe was EE.[EglinAFB, 40TFS]

Thanks.

As an aside, I just ordered all four volumes of "The Ultimate Phantom II Collection" by Double Ugly books. The reviews are excellent.

Gene K

[kurnass77]

Thanks.

As an aside, I just ordered all four volumes of "The Ultimate Phantom II Collection" by Double Ugly books. The reviews are excellent.

Gene K

Great choice of book. I've bought the first three and are very good,especially those of the Israelis.Here in Rome exist a specialised bookshop called Aviolibri and this morning I've noted the fourth volume dedicated at the British F-4,so I'll buy as soon is possible.

Gianni

Edited March 27, 2013 by kurnass77

[Tailspin Turtle]

These might be interesting and/or useful:

http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2013/03/f4h-f-4-phantom-index.html

http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.com/2012/05/spey-powered-phantom-changes.html

[USMC Herc]

Corragard?????

Did all phantoms have it on the leading edge of the intake? Looking at pics of VMFA-531 1979 'N' Phantoms I cannot tell if they are aircraft grey or corragard.

Where does the white in the intake start on Marine Phantoms?

Any assistance in this matters would be appreciated.

Cheers & Semper Fi

[USMC Herc]

Almost forgot....anyone have pics of the MERs used on "B & N" Phantoms? Does it have a part number/nomenclature that can be searched?

I have found pics but they are either obscuring the mounting of the weapons or are to far away to make out details.

I am wanting to add a lil detail to the MER & make sure I mount the bombs correctly.

Cheers & Semper Fi

[RAGATIGER]

Hi there

Well now I´m really confused

Regarding the horizontal stab the Phantom familly used 2 kinds sloted and unsloted (other thing is the reinforcement triangle)

So If I'm right C,D,F and RF-4C/E used unsloted

And E,G, J, S and N used the sloted

But what kind used the B serie

Best day

Armando

[phantom]

Un......when first built

Edited March 30, 2013 by phantom

[Tailspin Turtle]

Hi there

Well now I´m really confused

Regarding the horizontal stab the Phantom familly used 2 kinds sloted and unsloted (other thing is the reinforcement triangle)

So If I'm right C,D,F and RF-4C/E used unsloted

And E,G, J, S and N used the sloted

But what kind used the B serie

Best day

Armando

From http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2011/09/f-4-flapstabilizer-change.html: "Although created for the F-4J, which first flew in June 1966, the drooped aileron and associated changes, the slotted stabilator and the elimination of the inboard leading edge flap, was of benefit to the F-4B as well. The package of changes was incorporated with Block 26 production, the first of which was BuNo 152995 that first flew in March 1966, and retrofitted to most of the surviving earlier F-4Bs over time." By early 1972 most F-4B's had the slotted stabilizer.

[carlizle84]

During the Gulf War timeframe, were F-4Gs only using LAU-118s with HARMs? I found a bunch of pictures last night of gray Phantoms with the AERO-5B launcher on the pylons.

[RKic]

I'm hoping somebody here can set me straight on arming my F-4. I'm thinking of starting with a loadout similar to this pic

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:F-4B_Phantom_of_VF-21_over_Vietnam_1965.jpg(image from Wikipedia),

but then adding some TERs with MK 82s on the outer pylons, or a MER at the centerline with 6x MK 82.

Is either option within the realm of historic possibility?

Would an F-4 go far without external tanks?

Edited May 3, 2013 by RKic

[kurnass77]

Hi guys,

I started put some decals on my model,but while I checked again the video showing "my" bird I've noted that the leading edge of the slats was in a much darker color of the Light Gull Gray,here a pair of snapshot .

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Also,look like if the camo gray continue for a few cm. on the forward underwing surface .

Any help is much appreciated.

If I've violated some copyright please remove the pics!

Gianni.