MarcDuhon Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Currently the choice for 1:48 scale Mig-25 is that garbage Revell kit... I have this kit with enough stuff to make it look decent with ALOT of scratchbuilding.. but to do a great job with that kit could take 6-8 months with my schedule..... A new modern kit with a huge improvement will give me absolutely nothing to complain about... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) So let me see we are launching a boycott of a kit which hasnt been released Hi dehowie, I dont remember anyone mentioning a boycott. Dont know where you got this idea from. Pointing out inaccuracies is not a boycott. As I said before I most certainly plan to get at least a copy of this kit just as I did the Revell all those years ago, or the Academy MiG-21's and MiG-29's, the Trump toy like MiG-21F-13 just as was the first in line to buy the Hasegawa MiG-25 back in 1977. . . Only because they were the best and the only at that particular time, which does not mean in any way that they were a good kit! Best regards Gabor Edited July 18, 2013 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B_Realistic Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) I think everyone already has an idea if he will buy the kit or not and that everyone who loves the Mig-25 will buy it even with inaccuracies. It's this place to be critical to see how far the model is accurate to the real thing. I love to build Russian models but my knowledge of them is too minor. So specialists could point out what can be improved. It's up to the personal preferences to do something about it or just ignore it. Years I've dreamt for a SU-24, a Yak-38 or a Mig-25. And now there all available. Even when they all have their flaws. But they are fun to build. Russian models are hot and you see that Western modelers are eager to see more because we've got enough F-16's, Spits, Me's and so on. I welcome the Mig-25. And what about a Yak-28? :whistle:/> Edited July 18, 2013 by B_Realistic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 So let me see we are launching a boycott of a kit which hasnt been released based off a half hidden test shot and a CAD diagram that is indicative of a screenshot that could have components from several versions. Yep that makes sense...lol bla bla bla bla At first you were pretty entertaining, now you are just getting annoying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) No one is calling for a boycott. Everybody knows that the KH kit will be a vast improvement over the ancient Revell kit. The problem is that comments have been made on the Jaguar A, the Mirage F1B, the Gripen and the MiG-25 CAD models and that none of the suggested corrections led to any modification. Some manufacturers like Kinetic take some comments in account (Alpha Jet top wings panel lines, leading edge kink) and implement fixes if possible. KH doesn't. Yes, exactly the point that was made earlier in the thread - so KH perhaps doesn't consider it significant, don't care, don't provide the CAD images on time so that some corrections could be made, or who knows exactly. One can either accept this and buy the kit or he can choose to draw the line somewhere. Are there any other options? Online petitions? Personally, I'm getting the kit and I'm glad the flat cockpit with unpainted PE (as given in the Jaguar kit) is gone. But, yes, it would be great if CAD images were shared earlier in future so potentially some glaring errors can be fixed in time. Years I've dreamt for a SU-24, a Yak-38 or a Mig-25. And now there all available. Even when they all have their flaws. But they are fun to build. Russian models are hot and you see that Western modelers are eager to see more because we've got enough F-16's, Spits, Me's and so on. My sentiments exactly. 10-15 years ago it seemed certain that they're never going to happen. Edited July 18, 2013 by ijozic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) But, yes, it would be great if CAD images were shared earlier in future so potentially some glaring errors can be fixed in time. Shared yes but perhaps not publically. I think that Glen or song should try to identify one or two knowledgeable people (or at least people who know knowledgeable people) for each future project. Kasatka could have been one for the MiG-25, Erik could have been one for the Gripen. KH could set up workgroups to work on the CAD models before revealing anything to the public. This way it not 60-70% of the clients who would be happy with the kit but 95%. Edited July 18, 2013 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoosfoos Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Too much controversy! Not buying it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aigore Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 When is it due anyways? Any release date? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
song Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 hi all: thanks more for the discuss. and i think my Mig-25 seems not too bad. anyway i will try to change the mistake. as you know the after Mig-25P fly to Japan, the PD/PDS being a secret, and hardly to find picture. let us going into the next item. a Seasprite. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234943343-a-new-heli-from-kittyhawk/ Best regards and have a nice day. Song from China Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Petarvu Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 hi all: thanks more for the discuss. and i think my Mig-25 seems not too bad. anyway i will try to change the mistake. as you know the after Mig-25P fly to Japan, the PD/PDS being a secret, and hardly to find picture. let us going into the next item. a Seasprite. :woot.gif:/> http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234943343-a-new-heli-from-kittyhawk/ Best regards and have a nice day. Song from China GO Kitty Hawk !!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) as you know the after Mig-25P fly to Japan, the PD/PDS being a secret, and hardly to find picture. Best regards and have a nice day. Song from China Dear Mr. Song Examples (real aircraft and not photos) of the MiG-25 PD/PDS have been around for anyone to see, touch, research, photograph, study, measure, . . . for close to 25 years now!!! The early MiG-25 P version is far harder to work with, there are very few examples left of it. Still I look forward to your kit, and we will see what we can make out of it. Is there any date for the release??? Best regards Gabor Edited July 20, 2013 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Hi, I hate to be a bother, but where are all these aircraft for viewing and touching? If these are museum pieces, how trustworthy are they? If they are on military property, then how accessible are they to people? I would really like to know. I have been to the Soviet Union/Russia naval bases, and even then, it was very difficult to get to see things, even for a military person like myself. Thanks Brad Dear Mr. Song Examples (real aircraft and not photos) of the MiG-25 PD/PDS have been around for anyone to see, touch, research, photograph, study, measure, . . . for close to 25 years now!!! The early MiG-25 P version is far harder to work with, there are very few examples left of it. Still I look forward to your kit, and we will see what we can make out of it. Is there any date for the release??? Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 If these are museum pieces, how trustworthy are they? Thanks Brad Why would they be un-trustworthy shapewise? I get that for WW2 planes as those are often horrible mock-ups, but no one is going to bother making a mock up of MiG-25P. Sure there are some metal sheet here and there to cover this and that, but beyond that the frames are never changed really. As to MiG-25 in Russia and Ukraine for example, there are plenty of monuments and several pieces in museums. Maybe you can't physically touch everything in museums (like it should be) but that is a moot point anyway, Song is not traveling anywhere to take measurements. I can't think of "museum" MiG-25's on military ground that are restricted for civies. (not counting "service" frames) Well, i remember some private person bought several MiG-25 frames, and they are currently at some airfield, but i am not sure if those are restricted or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 As to where you can find a Foxbat, just a few: The Museum at Hodinka field was opened at the end of 1980's with FIVE examples of the famous interceptor, there were no barriers or any restrictions there and the planes had all their original parts and complete cockpits all the way to the end of the 1990's. Only one of them '710' was an experimental example with a new and bigger engine all the rest were service airframes, including an original P, PDS an R and a two seat version. This was a dream place for anyone interested in the Foxbat, they had all the original stencil, engines inside, side by side different versions making comparison easy . . . Only this spring were the Foxbat taken out to a base near Moscow and will be on public display in future too. There are countless examples as memorials or monuments all over Russia and the CIS states. The museum in Kiev even has one striped down of most of its skin surfaces, giving an excellent opportunity to have a look inside the bird but also to be able to take perfect measurements of parts that would be inaccessible on regular museum aircraft. In Moscow the most known other example is in the Central museum of the Red Army, once again fully complete. Access here is only for photography but some of the mistakes of the kit are perfectly visible here. You dont have to go to dreaded Russia or one of the ex USSR states to see a Foxbat, there is one in Finland for example and it was for sale a few months ago. Then you dont even have to come to the old continent, there is at least one in the US (taken from Iraq). It's not a question of paying for a travel all the way just for one particular type, on every visit a lot of time was spent on all the planes with hundreds of rolls of film, measuring tape, F.S. colour chips, scale plans . . . It is a question of planning and spending a lot of your free time on research of anything that comes your way through years and building up a reference library. Sorry, but if you invest a lot of money into design and production of a kit, then a proper research is essential!!! For example the way Eduard did the research with the Spitfire (even if it is not 100%, a kit will never be 100%) or some other manufacturers do! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I can't think of "museum" MiG-25's on military ground that are restricted for civies. (not counting "service" frames) Hi Berkut, There are some museum examples within bases, restricted to public. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 From the Aviation Museum in Kiev....... From 121st ARZ, Kubinka.... There's loads more examples - all taken by me as a 'civilian' visitor - and if I can do it........ Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Hi Berkut, There are some museum examples within bases, restricted to public. Best regards Gabor I am sure there are, i just couldn't think of any. Although Monino one (on a closed area) for example might count as such? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Hi Berkut, As far as I know the graveyard at Monino is / was possible to visit. But the interesting thing is that according to the airframe manufacturing number this 02 was one of those four original MiG-25R's that has visited Egypt all those years ago. It is sad that this "historic" aircraft is in such a sorry state. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Thanks for the replies, it appears that there are plenty. I guess KH doesn't have the budget for travel like other manufacturers do. Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Hi Berkut, As far as I know the graveyard at Monino is / was possible to visit. But the interesting thing is that according to the airframe manufacturing number this 02 was one of those four original MiG-25R's that has visited Egypt all those years ago. It is sad that this "historic" aircraft is in such a sorry state. Best regards Gabor Not really. It is possible to visit only if you know the right people, and some luck. I guess KH doesn't have the budget for travel like other manufacturers do. Brad Which is fine and entirely understandable. In perfect world manufacturers would visit and take measurements of whatever they are going to make, and some do. But considering the staggering amount of information on internet, it is possible to make a good product without doing that. I mean, you don't have visit and *measure* Jaguar to get the wings correct... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fuji Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Crap... Gotta have it. Any Mid East countries use this variant in this config? I like doing the esoteric Air Forces. If not, Soviet will do Edited August 4, 2013 by Fuji Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonSS3 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I think Libya, Iraq and possibly Syria were users in the Mid-East/North Africa. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Nice Homebe, I hope the kit does well. I know I will get one or two. Best Regards Brad Profiles future markings. Source: http://www.kittyhawkmodel.com/#!80119/c1xsy V.P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I hope it's just a matter of rescribing the radome base panel lines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K-5 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I hope it's just a matter of rescribing the radome base panel lines. Time will show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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