Netz Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) What is different with the Oleo's? I've looked and can see no real difference between the CF and F/A. Also what extra parts are included in the 1/48 Hasegawa kit? I am quite familiar with these kits and see no added parts other than the substitution of tails, aside from that the kit's (A to C)are the same. Curt Has 1/48 FA-18A+ Has 1/48 F/A-18A/C ARC CF-188 Link Link Edited April 6, 2013 by Netz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ALF18 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The different oleo is on the main gear, not the nose. The nose gear is identical to the USN version, right down to the functional launch bar (until we disabled the hydraulic actuator, but kept the exterior structure). Here is a Canadian oleo: And here is the USN/USMC equivalent. ALF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Thanks, what can I do with my 1/72 Hasegawa "Chippy Ho" kit? Kit 768 and I think it has both oleos and both tails. It is a C so can I do either Canadian A or C version? Not wanting to confuse anyone but I am totally lost on Canadian Hornets but definitely interested in building one.---John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mawz Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Thanks, what can I do with my 1/72 Hasegawa "Chippy Ho" kit? Kit 768 and I think it has both oleos and both tails. It is a C so can I do either Canadian A or C version? Not wanting to confuse anyone but I am totally lost on Canadian Hornets but definitely interested in building one.---John A tails for all Canadian Hornets, the closest the Canadian Hornets ever got to being a C was the ex-CF-18B nose that was grafted onto a Finnish Hornet to make an almost-D (which then immediately crashed). You'll also need the spotlight for most Canadian Hornets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Emvar Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Thanks, what can I do with my 1/72 Hasegawa "Chippy Ho" kit? Kit 768 and I think it has both oleos and both tails. It is a C so can I do either Canadian A or C version? Not wanting to confuse anyone but I am totally lost on Canadian Hornets but definitely interested in building one.---John In 1/72nd scale the MLG Shock would not make a difference, If you have the "A" Tails then use them and the Hasegawa 1/72nd scale kits do not have the IFF Bird Slicers on the nose if you were to build an upgrade Hornet. Your best bet is the Academy Export kit if you wanted a more accurate RCAF CF-18AM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) Thanks, My options are the 1/72 Hasegawa or Academy 1/72 C model. I don't have "Export" kit so I can steal A tails from Hasegawa? Or modify Academy C tails, sand off extra bumps? I also think I have a set or two extra Hornet tails in my spares box. I can't see spending extra for minor problems I can scratch fix or swap with what I have, bad case of "frugality" among other things. Thanks for the replies, trying not to hi jack thread but it is very interesting. I am looking into Leading Edge decals, maybe Gulf War era.---John Edited April 7, 2013 by john53 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) A tails for all Canadian Hornets, the closest the Canadian Hornets ever got to being a C was the ex-CF-18B nose that was grafted onto a Finnish Hornet to make an almost-D (which then immediately crashed). You'll also need the spotlight for most Canadian Hornets. One of our A models had a C rear plug from Spain. This was the jet that the pilot ejected on take-off in England. I always forget the tail number but I think it was 757 or 767. When it was rebuilt it had a new rear end grafted to it in Spain and it had C tails. Edited April 7, 2013 by Scooby Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Emvar Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Thanks, My options are the 1/72 Hasegawa or Academy 1/72 C model. I don't have "Export" kit so I can steal A tails from Hasegawa? Or modify Academy C tails, sand off extra bumps? I also think I have a set or two extra Hornet tails in my spares box. I can't see spending extra for minor problems I can scratch fix or swap with what I have, bad case of "frugality" among other things. Thanks for the replies, trying not to hi jack thread but it is very interesting. I am looking into Leading Edge decals, maybe Gulf War era.---John John if you don't mind the major details and you are going to do Gulf War than stick with the Hasegawa kit using the 'A' tails. The Light on the side of the aircraft was not always installed so you can get away with just using a decal for the plug. As always check your references. Your two best options for the Gulf War Would be Canuck Models Symmetrical Hornet Canuck Model Products or Leading Edge Hornet Sheet Leading Edge Models Both products are good it really comes down to price. I think the only thing you would need to scratch build on the Hasegawa kit is the Tail braces..... the rest is pretty much OOB. Personally I have both in my stash (kits and decals). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 John, just so you know the light was blanked out in conflicts. The light was removed and a circular brown tape was applied to the back of the plexi-glass opening. I can't say for sure this occurred during the Gulf War but it certainly occurred during the Balkans campaign. We didn't want out pilots accidently turning on the lights when they were bombing. For AA/Q duty it is required to be installed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RiderFan Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) Thanks, My options are the 1/72 Hasegawa or Academy 1/72 C model. I don't have "Export" kit so I can steal A tails from Hasegawa? Or modify Academy C tails, sand off extra bumps? I also think I have a set or two extra Hornet tails in my spares box. I can't see spending extra for minor problems I can scratch fix or swap with what I have, bad case of "frugality" among other things. Thanks for the replies, trying not to hi jack thread but it is very interesting. I am looking into Leading Edge decals, maybe Gulf War era.---John If you're looking for Gulf War markings, my Symmetrical set offers those. This is the Academy kit in symmetrical markings (for 425sqn, but the package comes with the proper Gulf War markings). [edit] the sidewiders should be grey for this time period, but I prefer the look of the white ones, so that's what I went with :) www.canuckmodels.com thanks David Edited April 7, 2013 by RiderFan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
centuaryseries Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I didn't realize Guns was flying 718, I have a shot of the intercept. 718 is an old tired jet and wasn't upgraded. It was scheduled for storage but was pulled back when the q-jet shortage was realized. Guns no longer flys Hornets. Your right Guns (aka "CHIP")is off of the Hornet and is now an instructor on the Hawk with 419 This is a crop of a photo taken by the lead- My Model again this time "in flight"- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
centuaryseries Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 If you're looking for Gulf War markings, my Symmetrical set offers those. This is the Academy kit in symmetrical markings (for 425sqn, but the package comes with the proper Gulf War markings). [edit] the sidewiders should be grey for this time period, but I prefer the look of the white ones, so that's what I went with :)/>/> www.canuckmodels.com thanks David Dave your Hornet decals rock! Now can we please have them for the CF-188 Hornet in 1/144 scale? I am well aware that it would be difficult to justify doing these with all of the numbers that are on your existing sheets however a very nice set of Canadian Hornets could be done by printing a single sheet with numbers for 5 different Hornets. I suggest 5 as if you used the numbers for aircraft 188901/923 for the twin and 188745/767/789 for the single seat Hornets. Anyone could use these straight off the shelf and be happy with them and for those of us who needed a specific aircraft covered then two sets of decals and a sharp blade would give a person any Hornet that has been in CAF/RCAF. The Revell Hornet is a nice little kit as but there are no standard CAF/RCAF decals for it in 1/144 scale worth buying. I have four others Revell Hornets that are built and painted awaiting decals so that’s 5 (or 6 – in this scale I can make mistakes!) sets sold already! Note the additional Hornet pilots await their ride! Please don’t anyone mention Canmilair decals to me I made the mistake of ordering decals from them and the print/colour quality leaves a WHOLE LOT to be desired - sorry I mean they leave EVERYTHING to be desired.! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mawz Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) One of our A models had a C rear plug from Spain. This was the jet that the pilot ejected on take-off in England. I always forget the tail number but I think it was 757 or 767. When it was rebuilt it had a new rear end grafted to it in Spain and it had C tails. I think you're thinking of 761 here, which has a C nose originally intended for one of the Spanish Hornets, among other replacement parts when it was rebuilt in Germany by DASA and MBB. It was still wearing A tails when it was the Colour Bird for 409 Squadron's reactivation. Edited April 7, 2013 by mawz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) Thanks to all for the help. The Hasegawa is slated for a U.S. bird so I guess I am doing my Academy 1/72 "C" as an CF-18AM. It has the bird slicers so I guess I have to sand off the extra bumps to make an A tail, no tails in my spares box. :( Then I need upgrades, antennas, searchlight and GPS dome. I will pick up another Hasegawa A in the near future to use as my Gulf War project. Thanks again for the help, a most interesting read.----John Edited April 7, 2013 by john53 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Mike Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) This is great! I think I helped out a few modelers with my question. Thanks everyone for the inputs! So here is what I'm going to do. I'm going to start with the 1/48 scale hasegawa f-18c kit, I looked and it does have both sets of oleos for the MLG, however I only have one set of tails and I assume they are for the c model hornet. I might try to fix those, but I'll probably talk to Curt first. I also ordered the Wolfpack cf-18 update set. I'll probably scratch build the searchlight if the aircraft I am building has it. I also have the LEM decals on the way. Load out for Op Mobile bird will probably be 2 aim-9s, an AMRAAM on the hip, 3 tanks and 2 GBU-10s and of course the sniper pod. Not sure when the build will start, defiantly after the f-16 and f-4 I'm working on right now, but maybe concurrent with the f-18d I have slated for later this year. Stay tuned and thanks again for all the help! Mike Edited April 9, 2013 by Skinny_Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EX_Birdgunner Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 If your doing an Op Mobile bird then the searchlight will be removed and the hole covered up. What I would do is scribe a circle where the searchlight is and paint the same colour as the rest of the jet, but check references to judge how you might want to tackle that. Denis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Hi, There is a fairly common photo showing a CF-188 returning from a sortie during Op Mobile, going through it's water wash, and the search/ID light is still there. Brad If your doing an Op Mobile bird then the searchlight will be removed and the hole covered up. What I would do is scribe a circle where the searchlight is and paint the same colour as the rest of the jet, but check references to judge how you might want to tackle that. Denis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EX_Birdgunner Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Do you have a link? I suspect this picture you are talking about is from when the jets of 425 Sqn arrived at Trapani. It is possible that the first sortie or two had the light since the jets from 425 that originally went over for Op Mobile were slated for the Iceland NATO Air Policing Op and might have still had the lights in place since that was a NORAD-like mission. I remember the rapidity of when the jets left here for Trapani, the next week I went to Iceland to control jets from 409 Sqn. Denis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Hi, Here you go. http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/commun/ml-fe/photo-eng.asp?id=5915 Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Hi, There is a fairly common photo showing a CF-188 returning from a sortie during Op Mobile, going through it's water wash, and the search/ID light is still there. Brad Hi Brad, That doesn't mean the light is there. The outer plexiglass always remained. Normally the inside was taped over with a brown mask. The housing on the inside was removed. I know they didn't fly with them in the Balkans as I removed them. It was SOP in conflict. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 If your doing an Op Mobile bird then the searchlight will be removed and the hole covered up. What I would do is scribe a circle where the searchlight is and paint the same colour as the rest of the jet, but check references to judge how you might want to tackle that. Denis The hinged door still remained with the plexiglass. The plexiglass was covered from the inside and was a pale tan color. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I think you're thinking of 761 here, which has a C nose originally intended for one of the Spanish Hornets, among other replacement parts when it was rebuilt in Germany by DASA and MBB. It was still wearing A tails when it was the Colour Bird for 409 Squadron's reactivation. Correct, I've had it backwards for years. I was in 409 for the re-activation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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