LastH21 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Anybody know of any 1/72 M-60 mgs? Need them for a Viet Nam era UH-1 and OH-6. Only ones I've seen on line are from Aero something or other ... long since gone. Dragon makes some REAL nice ones, but don't want to buy 3 kits for 3 guns. Related, did the UH-1Ds in 65 (Ia Drang) have solid mounts for the door guns, or were they using bungee cords? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Anybody know of any 1/72 M-60 mgs? Need them for a Viet Nam era UH-1 and OH-6. Only ones I've seen on line are from Aero something or other ... long since gone. Dragon makes some REAL nice ones, but don't want to buy 3 kits for 3 guns. Related, did the UH-1Ds in 65 (Ia Drang) have solid mounts for the door guns, or were they using bungee cords? Sorry, but the Dragon 60's are the best I know of. There is a company that makes PE M-60's (I used them on a build a long time ago) but they were too flat and had to add spacers between the pieces of PE to get a decent looking gun. Regarding the Ia Drang UH-1D's, that was before the M23 gun mount so any door guns would have been free guns or on bungees. I actually think they were free guns if I remember correctly. HTH Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LastH21 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Sorry, but the Dragon 60's are the best I know of. There is a company that makes PE M-60's (I used them on a build a long time ago) but they were too flat and had to add spacers between the pieces of PE to get a decent looking gun. Regarding the Ia Drang UH-1D's, that was before the M23 gun mount so any door guns would have been free guns or on bungees. I actually think they were free guns if I remember correctly. HTH Ray I have a batch of Dragon Humvees. One of their Gun Trucks comes with ONE M-60. Have a pot load of Ma Dueces , SAWs, and Mk19s. I saw some die cast ones on a web site, but the maker is out of business and the seller won't answer my e-mails (Probably out of business too.) One would think with all the UH-1 (and Loach) kits out there the manufacturers would provide door guns, or there would be a reasonable after market call for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LastH21 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Sorry, but the Dragon 60's are the best I know of. There is a company that makes PE M-60's (I used them on a build a long time ago) but they were too flat and had to add spacers between the pieces of PE to get a decent looking gun. Regarding the Ia Drang UH-1D's, that was before the M23 gun mount so any door guns would have been free guns or on bungees. I actually think they were free guns if I remember correctly. HTH Ray I have a batch of Dragon Humvees. One of their Gun Trucks comes with ONE M-60. Have a pot load of Ma Dueces , SAWs, and Mk19s. I saw some die cast ones on a web site, but the maker is out of business and the seller won't answer my e-mails (Probably out of business too.) One would think with all the UH-1 (and Loach) kits out there the manufacturers would provide door guns, or there would be a reasonable after market call for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Have you thought about casting them on resin? Take the one and use it as a master to cast the other two you need. Micromark sells a great resin casting kit that's fair in price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LastH21 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Have you thought about casting them on resin? Take the one and use it as a master to cast the other two you need. Micromark sells a great resin casting kit that's fair in price. Good idea. I need to get one (M-60) first. One I had is on an M-113 TOW from REFORGER in the early 90s. :( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I have a batch of Dragon Humvees. One of their Gun Trucks comes with ONE M-60. Have a pot load of Ma Dueces , SAWs, and Mk19s. I saw some die cast ones on a web site, but the maker is out of business and the seller won't answer my e-mails (Probably out of business too.) One would think with all the UH-1 (and Loach) kits out there the manufacturers would provide door guns, or there would be a reasonable after market call for them. Oddly enough neither 1/72 or 1/48 Hueys come with door guns. To a Huey freak like myself that's like selling a car model without doors! I agree that casting may be the way to go. If you buy Allumilite products from Hobby Lobby online, you can use the 40% off coupon and save a LOT of money. I am still a total noob at casting so I wouldn't presume to recommend a particular type of mold rubber or resin, but the basic starter kit has worked pretty good for me. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LastH21 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Oddly enough neither 1/72 or 1/48 Hueys come with door guns. To a Huey freak like myself that's like selling a car model without doors! I agree that casting may be the way to go. If you buy Allumilite products from Hobby Lobby online, you can use the 40% off coupon and save a LOT of money. I am still a total noob at casting so I wouldn't presume to recommend a particular type of mold rubber or resin, but the basic starter kit has worked pretty good for me. Ray Can't recall any model slicks coming with door guns. Only guns are on the gunships. I built the 1/32 kit a couple times as a kid ... no door guns. ***-O??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pixeluser Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Hello together, there are a few pigs on the market: 1. Propaganda Kompany from France : Pilots for Vietanm Disadvantage expensive and not long delivery times, up to four month 2. Herpa Germany: MG set US Not so expensive, they are scale 1:87 but I think these must be bigger in Scale. 3. SHQ: SHQ Crew There are also some other models for wargameing in the market, I did here an comparison: Modellboard Ciao Jan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 What Jan said.... I can really recommend the Herpa/Roco/whatever M60s. They may be sold as 1/87 scale, but they are definitely bigger and work perfect in 1/72. Here is a Roco M60 on a 1/72 Italeri Loach: HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) Can't recall any model slicks coming with door guns. Only guns are on the gunships. I built the 1/32 kit a couple times as a kid ... no door guns. ***-O??? The 1/35 Dragon UH-1D/H comes with 1 M23 system with a M60D and 1 M60 free gun. Of course you really need 2 M23 systems but it's a start. In fact the Dragon sprue is really just their Vietnam helicopter crew set packaged with the old Panda kit. Anyone have a US source for the Herpa/Rocco gun set? I would definitely check them out. Ray Edited May 29, 2013 by rotorwash Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Godz Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Grab the 1/72 italeri OH-13 Sioux kit, comes with 2 x M60, suitable for your cause and you can pick them up for $8-10 online. They are a nice representation, equal to any of the after market ones that I have aswell. HTH Cheers Karl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyf117 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Anybody know of any 1/72 M-60 mgs? Need them for a Viet Nam era UH-1 and OH-6. Only ones I've seen on line are from Aero something or other ... long since gone. Dragon makes some REAL nice ones, but don't want to buy 3 kits for 3 guns. Related, did the UH-1Ds in 65 (Ia Drang) have solid mounts for the door guns, or were they using bungee cords? You're probably referring to the Aeroclub ones - this model shop in Germany appears to have some: http://www.aero-spezial-modellbauversand.de/Detail/Cconversion-Sets/Aeroclub/Scale-1/72/Cannons-and-machine-guns/AEG024-M60-Hubschraubertuer-Kanone::4191.html?XTCsid=33725ae1fbc313dd2ad398e93bec104b I already have some tucked away with one of my Hueys.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Hmm, I don´t want to rain on someones parade, but I once ordered a couple of MGs from Aeroclub and found them not very usefull... Parts were bent, details not present, overall a very crude representation of the subject. HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 The 1/35 Dragon UH-1D/H comes with 1 M23 system with a M60D and 1 M60 free gun. Of course you really need 2 M23 systems but it's a start. In fact the Dragon sprue is really just their Vietnam helicopter crew set packaged with the old Panda kit. Anyone have a US source for the Herpa/Rocco gun set? I would definitely check them out. Ray Cobra has a nice resin M23 set for the Dragon Huey. Highly recommended. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LastH21 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Cobra has a nice resin M23 set for the Dragon Huey. Highly recommended. Thanks to all. I checked out Cobra. Was all excited then noticed the set was 1/35. Also, they were M-60Ds, with the spade grips. :( Rothco/Herpa look to be my best option. As for the Bell 47, are there M-60s in the kit? Cover art (and all the photos I have seen.) show .30 cal M-1919 Brownings on the skids. (Heard of incidents in Korea of strafing runs done wirh an M-2 Carbine, out the door.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LastH21 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Thanks to all. I checked out Cobra. Was all excited then noticed the set was 1/35. Also, they were M-60Ds, with the spade grips. :(/> Rothco/Herpa look to be my best option. As for the Bell 47, are there M-60s in the kit? Cover art (and all the photos I have seen.) show .30 cal M-1919 Brownings on the skids. (Heard of incidents in Korea of strafing runs done wirh an M-2 Carbine, out the door.) Hey, All. I went on ebay for an M-60 hunt. If anybody wants any of the roco M-60s there is one seller with 3 (was 4 , but I shagged a set. ) for $9.95. (out of Illinois.) and another for $11. (Looks to be 1/2 a set. Only one tree. Unless Roco issued them in two different sets.) I did my search for "1/87 roco guns". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Hey, All. I went on ebay for an M-60 hunt. If anybody wants any of the roco M-60s there is one seller with 3 (was 4 , but I shagged a set. ) for $9.95. (out of Illinois.) and another for $11. (Looks to be 1/2 a set. Only one tree. Unless Roco issued them in two different sets.) I did my search for "1/87 roco guns". Thanks for the heads up. Try searching "Trident 96040" for even more sources in Google. I saw one as low as 6 bucks and change. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Godz Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Thanks to all. I checked out Cobra. Was all excited then noticed the set was 1/35. Also, they were M-60Ds, with the spade grips. :(/> Rothco/Herpa look to be my best option. As for the Bell 47, are there M-60s in the kit? Cover art (and all the photos I have seen.) show .30 cal M-1919 Brownings on the skids. (Heard of incidents in Korea of strafing runs done wirh an M-2 Carbine, out the door.) Just checked the actual kit. 2 X M-60 and 4 x Brownings are included. The M-60 s have are of the "shoulder" fired type, with an extra part at front body point for mounting, or easy removal. HTH Karlos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pixeluser Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Thanks for the heads up. Try searching "Trident 96040" for even more sources in Google. I saw one as low as 6 bucks and change. Ray This is Not the Kit with The m60s. Jan Edited May 30, 2013 by pixeluser Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) x Edited May 30, 2013 by rotorwash Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LastH21 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share Posted June 2, 2013 Sorry, but the Dragon 60's are the best I know of. There is a company that makes PE M-60's (I used them on a build a long time ago) but they were too flat and had to add spacers between the pieces of PE to get a decent looking gun. Regarding the Ia Drang UH-1D's, that was before the M23 gun mount so any door guns would have been free guns or on bungees. I actually think they were free guns if I remember correctly. HTH Ray Just found a photo of Bruce Crandall's Ancient Serpent 6 pulling out of LZ X-ray. (One of the two grunts in the pic appears to be Col. Moore. His chin is almost as distinctive as Jay Leno's!) It sure looks like an M-23 mount on there to me. Real dark, but you can see the brace under the door way, large ammo box, and the ammo belt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rotorwash Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Just found a photo of Bruce Crandall's Ancient Serpent 6 pulling out of LZ X-ray. (One of the two grunts in the pic appears to be Col. Moore. His chin is almost as distinctive as Jay Leno's!) It sure looks like an M-23 mount on there to me. Real dark, but you can see the brace under the door way, large ammo box, and the ammo belt. I never say never, but check out THIS thread over at FSM. Take the time to read the whole thing and I think you will have a much better understanding of both what was likely on Crandall's bird and what was not. What you will see is ambiguous evidence showing the M23 present as well as several lines of evidence showing it wasn't there. I was a helo newby at the time so I didn't really contribute a lot to the M23 discussion. However, having spent the last 6 years immersed in everything Huey, I am pretty confident that the M23 system wasn't used in the Ia Drang battle. It is clear, however, that it was in country by January of 66 so it is entirely possible there is a picture of Gen. Moore in an M23 armed bird. As always, I reserve the right to be wrong. I would love to see the photo you found. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
outofbattery Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I think I have some from an Italieri OH-13. I don't recall how good they are but I'm pretty sure I have some. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LastH21 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share Posted June 2, 2013 I never say never, but check out THIS thread over at FSM. Take the time to read the whole thing and I think you will have a much better understanding of both what was likely on Crandall's bird and what was not. What you will see is ambiguous evidence showing the M23 present as well as several lines of evidence showing it wasn't there. I was a helo newby at the time so I didn't really contribute a lot to the M23 discussion. However, having spent the last 6 years immersed in everything Huey, I am pretty confident that the M23 system wasn't used in the Ia Drang battle. It is clear, however, that it was in country by January of 66 so it is entirely possible there is a picture of Gen. Moore in an M23 armed bird. As always, I reserve the right to be wrong. I would love to see the photo you found. Ray Hi, Ray. Actually found a couple more photos. The webite is www.army.mil/artical/1757/Major_Bruce_P_Crandall_Photo_Slideshow All three are in the first 10 photos. (Provided it starts in the same spot .... pic of Crandall with a 12.5mm mg) The one I mentioned before, I think, is Don Galloway's work. It looks too pro for a grunt with a Kodak. You can make out Crandall's markings on the door, and , though shadowy, the door gunner. Second one shows the ship at a hover. Not sure on the time frame on this. I don't think it's the Ia Drang ... too rain foresty. (Ia Drang is more like Sothern Cal. That's why they filmed the movie at Fort Hunter Liggett.) Third is a color shot showing four ships launching. Looks like Crandall's marking on the lead's door. Lead has the M-23s. two of the other ships don't. (Fourth is hiding way back behind the puckerbrush. All you can see is roof and rotors So .... ?? I know enough about 'puters to be dangerous. If you know how to post these please do so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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