Su-27UB Stencils & Cans

[Crazy Snap Captain]

Chaps,

Apologies if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find it on the forums. I'm thinking of getting the Begemot 1:32 stencil set for SU-27 Family. It includes single and dual seat sets. My question is:

Are the stencils on a SU-27UB the same as on a SU-30?

Also, would the Aires exhausts for the SU-27 be correct on the SU-30? Thanks in advance and apologies if these questions are basic/stupid <_</>

Edited April 8, 2014 by Crazy Snap Captain

[kotey]

Before answer can i'm ask: which Su-30 version do you mean exactly?

Su-30MKK(V) or Su-30MKI?

[Crazy Snap Captain]

I want to do a Russian version of the SU-30 (not sure which variant that is...is it the SU-30SM?). I know I will have to modify the exhausts to show the thrust vectoring, but is the shape the same?

Edited July 8, 2013 by Crazy Snap Captain

[kotey]

Only big one different - addition of two armament hardpoints under wings.

[Crazy Snap Captain]

Maybe I should just stick to OOB...MKK I think...I just realised I would have to add canards...I'm not that good... :wacko:

[Berkut]

Su-30SM is with canards and a whole lot of other things as it is based on Su-30MKI/MKA/MKM family. You would have to modify Su-27UB into MKI and then do some more smaller modifications.

There are a few (2?) of the "original" soviet Su-30's flying, and that would be by far easier.

[Flankerman]

I did it in 1/72 scale - I converted the Trumpeter Su-30MKK into a Russian AF Su-30SM.

There's quite a bit of work involved - adding canards, re-working the fins, making TVC nozzles etc.... but its do-able.

Note that since the above photo was taken, I have corrected the orientation of the drooped nozzles - they should be down and inwards like this....

Ken

[Crazy Snap Captain]

Su-30SM is with canards and a whole lot of other things as it is based on Su-30MKI/MKA/MKM family. You would have to modify Su-27UB into MKI and then do some more smaller modifications.

There are a few (2?) of the "original" soviet Su-30's flying, and that would be by far easier.

Thanks Berkut. I'm getting Trumpeter's 1/32 MKK kit so the rework would be minimal to get to original SU-30 spec I assume? The original SU-30's you talk about, are they operational birds or just demonstrators? The decals on the MKK kit seem to have a Russian option as pictured here:

I did it in 1/72 scale - I converted the Trumpeter Su-30MKK into a Russian AF Su-30SM.

There's quite a bit of work involved - adding canards, re-working the fins, making TVC nozzles etc.... but its do-able.

Note that since the above photo was taken, I have corrected the orientation of the drooped nozzles - they should be down and inwards like this....

Ken

Ken,

I was using your build thread as inspiration. I would have to scratch build a fair bit and without guides and I'm afraid my skills are not that advanced.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Crazy Snap Captain

[Flankerman]

The decals on the MKK kit seem to have a Russian option as pictured here:

The Su-30MKK (Bort 502) shown on the Trumpeter decal sheet is one of the prototype MKK's retained by Sukhoi as a development machine - it does not belong to the RusAF.

There ARE Su-30MKK's in Russian AF service - where they are designated Su-30M2......

The Su-30MKK/M2 has taller square-tipped fins, no canards and no TVC engines.

It is a totally different beast to the Su-30MKI/MKM/MKA/Su-30SM - which DOES have canards, TVC engines and 'standard' Su-27UB-style fins with bigger rudders - as shown on my Su-30SM model.

It would be quite easy to make a RusAF Su-30M2 from the Trumpeter Su-30MKK kit - much harder to make a Su-30SM.

Happy Flankering

Ken

[Crazy Snap Captain]

Ken,

Many thanks. Clarity at last! Brilliant! SU-30M2 it is then. So back to the stencils bit... would Begemot 1:32 stencil set for SU-27 Family be compatible with an SU-30M2 and does anyone produce decals to replicate one of the M2's?

[Berkut]

Ken,

Many thanks. Clarity at last! Brilliant! SU-30M2 it is then. So back to the stencils bit... would Begemot 1:32 stencil set for SU-27 Family be compatible with an SU-30M2 and does anyone produce decals to replicate one of the M2's?

Since you are getting the Su-30MKK kit i agree with Ken, Su-30M2 is a good solution. I assumed you are using Su-27UB as basis, and in such case it would have been easiest to do "original" Su-30. "Original" soviet Su-30 i spoke of is roughly speaking simply Su-27UB with refuel probe. For example this one is used for testing of new systems and so on:

http://russianplanes.net/id104399

Or RuAF one, also an original soviet Su-30:

http://russianplanes.net/id103703

There is also b/n 66 but i haven't seen it fly for a few years now.

Su-30MKK has a number of differences from that original Su-30.

And yes, Su-27UB stencils should work just fine on Su-30M2. Also notice Su-30M2 has new stars with blue line, "BBC" and RF- registration.

PS: In danger of sounding tedious, it is Su-XX, not SU-XX. :P

[Crazy Snap Captain]

Since you are getting the Su-30MKK kit i agree with Ken, Su-30M2 is a good solution. I assumed you are using Su-27UB as basis, and in such case it would have been easiest to do "original" Su-30. "Original" soviet Su-30 i spoke of is roughly speaking simply Su-27UB with refuel probe. For example this one is used for testing of new systems and so on:

http://russianplanes.net/id104399

Or RuAF one, also an original soviet Su-30:

http://russianplanes.net/id103703

There is also b/n 66 but i haven't seen it fly for a few years now.

Su-30MKK has a number of differences from that original Su-30.

And yes, Su-27UB stencils should work just fine on Su-30M2. Also notice Su-30M2 has new stars with blue line, "BBC" and RF- registration.

PS: In danger of sounding tedious, it is Su-XX, not SU-XX. :P/>

Berkut,

Thanks for the tips, and also the great website. I might PM you if thats okay with you to get some more tips on the diffeences between the Su-30M2 & the MKK kit (when I finally get around to it).

P.S. Re prefixes; duly noted. Also a pet hate of mine...like GTI instead of GTi.

[Crazy Snap Captain]

Also notice Su-30M2 has new stars with blue line, "BBC" and RF- registration.

Does anyone produce these new insignia's & rego numbers in 1/32?

Flankerman, I noticed you have the new stars on your 1/72 Su-30SM. Can you shed some light? Thanks.

BTW, I got the kit today in the mail. Sweet mother of God it is MASSIVE!!!!

[Flankerman]

Does anyone produce these new insignia's & rego numbers in 1/32?

Not AFAIK - speak nicely to Begemot and ask them to make their 1/72 scale version in 1/32 scale.

You might be able to use some of the bigger text from this sheet as 1/32 scale.

Flankerman, I noticed you have the new stars on your 1/72 Su-30SM. Can you shed some light? Thanks.

Again, they are from Begemot - but 1/72 scale.

Andrei Kotkov (Mr Junior Begemot :whistle:/> ) posts on here as 'Kotey' - ask him nicely.

Ken

Edited July 17, 2013 by Flankerman

[Crazy Snap Captain]

Thanks Ken. I'll PM Andrei.

[Crazy Snap Captain]

I've slowly been collecting resin and other AM bits for this project. There is no dedicated Su-30 cockpit available in resin (Wolfpack have been promising one for years apparently). There is an Aires 1/32 Su-27UB cockpit set. Am I right in assuming that this would be uincopatible for an Su-30M2, i.e. the layout would be totally different?

[Berkut]

Yes, the cockpit is fairly different. Differences in tub can be ignored, but IP's are very different. The way i see it you have two options:

1: Aires UB resin tub and other pieces + original trumpeter Su-30MKK IP's.

2: Aires UB resin tub and other pieces + scratch built IP's.

[Crazy Snap Captain]

Thanks Berkut. Thought as much. I might get the set and try one of your suggestions. I have the Eduard Big Ed set which includes their coloured photo etched IPs which I might try to incorporate with the stock Trumpy IP. The PE would look too flat on its own in 1/32 scale. Many thanks again!