BlackPanther Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Hello, I began to build this bird and I have some doubt about the weapons loadout....I choose to build this bird in Naval Strike configurations, used in the last years planes before radiation.In the box ( the Academy one in 1/48) are included two Popeye missiles and the fuels tanks too. What should I load on the ventral pilon? Maybe mothing but it would be better to know this well in order to avoid to build a false plain. Thanks for the answers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andre Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Here in part 7 of Jim Rotramel's excellent articles on the '111 are some real world loads, including the 'C: http://www.f-111.net/models/weaponsloads/index.htm HTH, Andre Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPanther Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 So according to to this article none plane had ever carried a popeye missile...,it is a bit strange.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
billb Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 never say never http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/f-111-aus/p8171-raaf-f-111-armed-with-agm-142e-popeye-missiles.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPanther Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Wonderful! Tank you so much! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a4s4eva Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Some of my F-111C images are here. I thought I have one with a Popeye but I only got the other side. If you are doing a F-11!C with a Popeye then on the other side of the aircraft was carried the datalink pod and a 500lb inert bomb (as a counterweight) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPanther Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Some of my F-111C images are here. I thought I have one with a Popeye but I only got the other side. If you are doing a F-11!C with a Popeye then on the other side of the aircraft was carried the datalink pod and a 500lb inert bomb (as a counterweight) No, it will carry two Popeyes missile....and off course i will add under the noose the AVQ-26 Pave Track targeting pod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a4s4eva Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 No, it will carry two Popeyes missile....and off course i will add under the noose the AVQ-26 Pave Track targeting pod. It's your model but 2 Popeye's isn't accurate, IIRC without the Datalink pod It couldn't launch the missile. The RAAF never carried 2 AGM-142's on the F-111. The Pavetack is in the bomb bay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPanther Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 (edited) Tis is not to dispute what you wrote, but.... I found this article about Air to Surface missiles http://www.navalofficer.com.au/antiship-missiles/ If you read the Popeye paragraph you will also see an F-111 carrying two Popeyes and the data link pod mounted on the inner Hard point.... See also this picture Am I wrong again? Edited August 18, 2013 by BlackPanther Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magman2 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 operational RAAF, F-111 carrying two Popeyes Net Photo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Were these Popeyes really intended to use against ships? If so, what would be the advantage of them over the Harpoon missile which they already had? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rank11 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 An extra couple hundred pounds of boom? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPanther Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 And what about the fuel tanks? I beleive that the plane can't carry them together to the popeyes? Is it correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewPerren Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 There is a difference between possible and probable. Information from the crews that flew them is that the standard load is a single missile balanced with a datalink pod and an inert bomb as a balance on the opposite wing. Your pictures above show training missiles from publicity shots - not warloads. Of course two missiles could be carried but that is not a representative load The fuel tanks in the Academy kit are very very wrong. Besides the F-111 can fly from Australia to Indonesia and back on internal fuel so very little need for the tanks. There would definitely be clearance issues with the large fins on the missiles and the fuel tanks. The tanks are only used for long range ferry trips. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Here in part 7 of Jim Rotramel's excellent articles on the '111 are some real world loads, including the 'C: http://www.f-111.net/models/weaponsloads/index.htm Alas, several parts of my articles could stand some updating, including this one. The F-111C Popeye load is: Popeyes on the outboard pylons (3/6), their data link pod on the left inboard (4), and ELTA ECM pod on the right inboard (5). Nothing on the ventral station. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPanther Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Thank you Mrvark! Can you post me a picture of the data link pod? I have two pod in the academy box...just to do things in the right way ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoops Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Were these Popeyes really intended to use against ships? If so, what would be the advantage of them over the Harpoon missile which they already had? I would assume, man in the loop for terminal guidance. Once you let a Harpoon off the chain, you just have to hope that it hits the target that you really wanted it to based on the seeker logic. Hoops Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrvark Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Thank you Mrvark! Can you post me a picture of the data link pod? I have two pod in the academy box...just to do things in the right way ;)/> The Academy pods are correct (done from my drawings). For a single missile load, replace the left inboard missile with a Mk 82 w/conical fin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a4s4eva Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I stand corrected - well sorta. Andrew is correct the 2 popeye load is not a realistic operational load. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPanther Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 So wich pod between the two in the box kit is the right one? I suppose i could mount only one....maybe i did not understand well And what about the ELTA ECM pod? The one in the kit is correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewPerren Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 The ELTA 8222 ECM pod can also be carried on the ventral station aft of the MLG bay. I have some pics but they're not mine so I can't share them here. I don't know what the final operationally preferable location for ELTA 8222 was. I built this one below as a magazine review so basically OOB - so it is lacking the inert MK82 inboard of the data link pod ( none came in the kit). Otherwise it depicts my research as a likely single missile load on an RAAF F-111C. The seeker nose of the missile should not be black as I have done but I didn't want to change it. Hope that helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a4s4eva Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 So wich pod between the two in the box kit is the right one? I suppose i could mount only one....maybe i did not understand well And what about the ELTA ECM pod? The one in the kit is correct? Here's the datalink pod Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPanther Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 Thank you so much!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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