Berkut Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Just a reminder; if anyone sees any potential bugs, please contact either me or Sio ASAP zulu, then there is a chance to fix it before release. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario krijan Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Just a reminder; if anyone sees any potential bugs, please contact either me or Sio ASAP zulu, then there is a chance to fix it before release. Would be pilot inside???!! :-P Edited June 18, 2015 by mario krijan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Just a reminder; if anyone sees any potential bugs, please contact either me or Sio ASAP zulu, then there is a chance to fix it before release. The kit is *grossly* oversized. It looks to be about 1.5x too large, by my estimate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Would be pilot inside???!! :-P As far as i know, there are no pilots included. Maybe Sio can confirm. The kit is *grossly* oversized. It looks to be about 1.5x too large, by my estimate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) As far as i know, there are no pilots included. Edited June 18, 2015 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deino Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) As far as i know, there are no pilots included. Maybe Sio can confirm. No pilot !! So this kit will be unbuildable similar to the GWH's F-15 ! Sorry, couldn't resist. Deino Edited June 19, 2015 by Deino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sio Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 As far as i know, there are no pilots included. Maybe Sio can confirm. No........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 thanks for the x-ray pics Sio,will try to make an intake trunk for my ICM Mig-31 since I can't live with it being without Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I'm at a lost for word's! Oh wait, I found one, "FANTASTIC"!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I'm at a lost for word's! Oh wait, I found one, "FANTASTIC"!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Awesome!!!! Please consider using photo etch parts for exhaust and missile fins, especially for R-77. As your future costumer, I am willing to pay more for photo etch parts :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 PE would be useless for the rear fins on the R-77. They are a box-like lattice structure that has 3 very visible dimensions. In PE they would be flat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I am aware but I think if you go with plastic you cannot replicate the lattice structure so it will be just a "plate"... Can you create it in plastic? I prefer to have the lattice without depth over plastic plate. Moreover, you can design PE so you would fold it to have some depth, too. I bet a folded PE part will be almost perfect to replicate it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) If *you* want to try to fold that shape out of PE in 1/48, be my guest. It might be 2x3 mm overall (x4 per missile, x4 missiles). I'll come visit you at the institute, and bring you chocolate chip cookies on Tuesdays. Edited June 21, 2015 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chek Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I had assumed that those rear lattice 'fins' on the R-77 were for enhanced manoeuvrability, but the photo above clearly shows that they are fixed very securely. Or is that a show dummy in the photo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FAR148 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) I had assumed that those rear lattice 'fins' on the R-77 were for enhanced manoeuvrability, but the photo above clearly shows that they are fixed very securely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-77 Edited June 21, 2015 by FAR148 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 If *you* want to try to fold that shape out of PE in 1/48, be my guest. It might be 2x3 mm overall (x4 per missile, x4 missiles). I'll come visit you at the institute, and bring you chocolate chip cookies on Tuesdays. Either you didnt understand me or you are trolling. It will be just bending a PE part onto itself. Even I, with limited skill, can do it easily. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fulcrum1 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Either you didnt understand me or you are trolling. It will be just bending a PE part onto itself. Even I, with limited skill, can do it easily. May be easy for you, but me and PE don't get along well. I'd rather most parts be in plastic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sio Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) More: http://modelweb.modelforum.cz/2015/06/21/mig-31-ohlasena-novinka-firmy-amk/ V.P. You are really fast! :D/> Edited June 21, 2015 by Sio Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sio Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Awesome!!!! Please consider using photo etch parts for exhaust and missile fins, especially for R-77. As your future costumer, I am willing to pay more for photo etch parts :)/> PE would be useless for the rear fins on the R-77. They are a box-like lattice structure that has 3 very visible dimensions. In PE they would be flat. I am aware but I think if you go with plastic you cannot replicate the lattice structure so it will be just a "plate"... Can you create it in plastic? I prefer to have the lattice without depth over plastic plate. Moreover, you can design PE so you would fold it to have some depth, too. I bet a folded PE part will be almost perfect to replicate it. If *you* want to try to fold that shape out of PE in 1/48, be my guest. It might be 2x3 mm overall (x4 per missile, x4 missiles). I'll come visit you at the institute, and bring you chocolate chip cookies on Tuesdays. I had assumed that those rear lattice 'fins' on the R-77 were for enhanced manoeuvrability, but the photo above clearly shows that they are fixed very securely. Or is that a show dummy in the photo? We had been thinking about this design, but it difficult to achieve. If you guys have some other better idea, please let me know! :D :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EagleAviation Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 PE would be useless for the rear fins on the R-77. They are a box-like lattice structure that has 3 very visible dimensions. In PE they would be flat. It looks like a dummy to me. The fins in the center of the missile are welded on the body. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxmulder_ms Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 We had been thinking about this design, but it difficult to achieve. If you guys have some other better idea, please let me know! :D/>/>/> :D/>/>/> First of all, thank you so much for listening to us. I am very confident PE is the best way to do this. Just consider a PE part like the following: Bending the part on itself is optional for me but it is a very good for to have some depth. Even without this option to replicate fine lattice structure, you have no other option but PE part. The point with these fins is you can see the other side! I think there is almost no way to achieve this with a plastic part. You can only create the illusion of it with a plastic part by using panel lines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inquisitor Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) The kit's molding look very good. Even with all those reinforcing ribs, I don't see sink marks. I had assumed that those rear lattice 'fins' on the R-77 were for enhanced manoeuvrability, but the photo above clearly shows that they are fixed very securely. Or is that a show dummy in the photo? That's a dummy piece. The real one the fins base rotate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-77 mechanism from the live ones, you can see how base rotates. Edited June 21, 2015 by Inquisitor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sio Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 First of all, thank you so much for listening to us. I am very confident PE is the best way to do this. Just consider a PE part like the following: Bending the part on itself is optional for me but it is a very good for to have some depth. Even without this option to replicate fine lattice structure, you have no other option but PE part. The point with these fins is you can see the other side! I think there is almost no way to achieve this with a plastic part. You can only create the illusion of it with a plastic part by using panel lines. Foxmulder, Thank you very much for opinion! The bending of PE is a great idea! But technically, we cannot make it! According to the dimensions of R-77, the thickness of the fins should about 1.00 mm. With our technology for PE, the maximum thickness with through holes, is about 0.25 mm. That means, even we bend 2 PE together (only 0.50 mm thick), it is only half of the thickness of the real fins. Then, we need to put 2 bended PE together to have 1.00 mm thickness. This is extremely difficult for modellers to glue it together. We choose not to do so. One more consideration, at the position you bend the PE, there will a line looks like round shape, which is not appeared in the real fins. If you file/sand it off, the PE may separate into 2 pieces again. This may be another headache for modellers too. Of course, "can see another side" is really the point! If you still have further better idea, please let me know! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sio Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 The kit's molding look very good. Even with all those reinforcing ribs, I don't see sink marks. mechanism from the live ones, you can see how base rotates. You know about plastic! :D :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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