Check Six Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Your inside edge looks off Jennings the curve extends out quite a bit closer to the airbrake. Dmanton nailed it in one. It everyone hear cant pick it under a coat of paint and light its as good as you can get. Revell has them far to proud in the front half with a prominent transition from vertical to horizontal yet i have never looked at a Revellogram E going jeez they look off. Nice to know and good photos etc but im wondering did anyone ever critique Da Vinci's version of Mona Lisa's smile? Mmm lower lip to curved..mmm upper lip under done..yep its garbage..lol What other version is there other than Da Vinci's Mona Lisa's smile? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 What other version is there other than Da Vinci's Mona Lisa's smile? Did Mona really look like the portrait or was it the artist's interpretation of what Mona looked like? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Did Mona really look like the portrait or was it the artist's interpretation of what Mona looked like? I believe the painting wasn't put on public display until the late 19th century so very few people got to see it back when Da Vinci painted it. And of those few people that got to see the painting, fewer still, if any, ever got to see the subject of said painting. All that being said; What are the odds that there was even the possibility to critique said painting since one would have to have seen the subject and see the painting? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I believe the painting wasn't put on public display until the late 19th century so very few people got to see it back when Da Vinci painted it. And of those few people that got to see the painting, fewer still, if any, ever got to see the subject of said painting. All that being said; What are the odds that there was even the possibility to critique said painting since one would have to have seen the subject and see the painting? Thank you, my point exactly. I have spent more time on the 15 then most, i know how her subtle lines were and how she worked and flew though air with the help of my hand. As with most the have had that pleasure know this, we are the best critic whether it's an f-15 or f-4, etc..... Cheers Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raptor01 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Nice kit, not $109.00 MSRP nice. Maybe $50. - $60. nice. Waiting for RoG 1/48 Tornado, Kinetic SHAR FRS.2, & Tarangus Viggen, those are must haves. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CF104 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Nice kit, not $109.00 MSRP nice. Maybe $50. - $60. nice. Waiting for RoG 1/48 Tornado, Kinetic SHAR FRS.2, & Tarangus Viggen, those are must haves. John The MSRP seems to have been thrown out the window by Lucky Model. They have it listed for pre-order @ $75.98. That's a price that compares favorably with the Hasegawa F-15's. I think the days of seeing new tooled kits like this at $50 are long over. Cheers, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Nice kit, somewhat accurate, a step above the Hasegawa in some cercumstances, worth the higher price? that remains to be seen and up to the individual making the purchase. Will I buy one, maybe in the future when inaccuracies pointed out in this forum are corrected on the single seater(not into the family truckster). No matter how dear in my heart the Eagle is and with the inaccuracies pointed out on this one kit I will not be buying this one for that price only to buy a pile of aftermarket to correct the inadequacies.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scvrobeson Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Nice kit, somewhat accurate, a step above the Hasegawa in some cercumstances, worth the higher price? that remains to be seen and up to the individual making the purchase. Will I buy one, maybe in the future when inaccuracies pointed out in this forum are corrected on the single seater(not into the family truckster). No matter how dear in my heart the Eagle is and with the inaccuracies pointed out on this one kit I will not be buying this one for that price only to buy a pile of aftermarket to correct the inadequacies.... Inadequacies? All I've seen so far is that crew names are messed up on the decal sheets, and the wheels have some backward lettering. No one can seem to nail down if the engine bulges are off. Are there other things wrong with it that people have proven wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Inadequacies? All I've seen so far is that crew names are messed up on the decal sheets, and the wheels have some backward lettering. No one can seem to nail down if the engine bulges are off. Are there other things wrong with it that people have proven wrong? I have already stated in previous posts the inaccuracies, the speedbrake well, various panel lines and access doors and it defiantly can't be built as a B model, only a D. There was more then just the engine humps to which until I see the kit in the flesh I will not vouch as being the correct shape, height or width. The aft speedbrake fairing and Comm panel comes to mind why it can't be a B model as well. There are numerous problems that only someone with my background would notice. All this was passed to the kit makers representative when I had a good look at the CAD drawings. Like I have stated previously as well that only something that I spent more time with than my family would I critic whole heartedly over 20+ years working on the Eagle Athrough S models... Most of these discrepancies will be rectified with the single Seater and I trust all pictures and information will be taken to the CAD on the single Seater. Cheers Dave Whalen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phasephantomphixer Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Thanks for posting comparison pics. Engine hump issue wouldn't dissuade me from buying it at a tolerable price. I even have Academy's kit waiting it's turn! I do plan to either replace the massively sharp and bulbous engine humps, or fill and sand. Will decide when the time comes. From what I was shown here, to me the GWH humps are proud at the forward area where they taper and descend into the fuselage. Like if they were pontoons floating higher in water than Hasegawas, which to me seem well done. I do like that GWH gives straight and angled inlet ramps. Edited December 19, 2013 by phasephantomphixer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Nice kit, not $109.00 MSRP nice. Maybe $50. - $60. nice. John I generally agree. My price gauge says more like $40-$50 range. My question is; What makes it so much more expensive than a Hasegawa equivalent? To use an example: The Revell 1/48th scale F-18E is a very nice kit in general. Selling for $20 or less bumps it up to an absolutely fantastic kit! I would buy said Revell kit if it was selling in the $25-$35 range. The Hasegawa equivalent sells for $60+. As nice as the Hasegawa F-18E kits are, IMHO they aren't worth that much. Said Hasegawa kits should be in the $40-$50 range. The Hasegawa F-18F and EA-18G: $45-$60 range due to inherently much more parts. What are they going for? $65-$80+! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 My question is; What makes it so much more expensive than a Hasegawa equivalent? Capitalism. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Check Six Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Capitalism. That's a given. Now back to my question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viperbite Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I have already stated in previous posts the inaccuracies, the speedbrake well, various panel lines and access doors and it defiantly can't be built as a B model, only a D. There was more then just the engine humps to which until I see the kit in the flesh I will not vouch as being the correct shape, height or width. The aft speedbrake fairing and Comm panel comes to mind why it can't be a B model as well. There are numerous problems that only someone with my background would notice. All this was passed to the kit makers representative when I had a good look at the CAD drawings. Like I have stated previously as well that only something that I spent more time with than my family would I critic whole heartedly over 20+ years working on the Eagle Athrough S models... Most of these discrepancies will be rectified with the single Seater and I trust all pictures and information will be taken to the CAD on the single Seater. Cheers Dave Whalen Dave, I can't reach you by PMing you, so I've sent you an email instead. Looking forward your reply Regards, Jin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 But do any of these warrant the aftermarket additions? I cannot see what is the "pile" you are referring to. Also, pricing aside, do you think Academy, Hasegawa or Revell kit is better than what we are seeing in these pictures? I hardly think so. None can be fixed with aftermarket unless you get a new moulded fuselage. What do you mean by pile? I am waiting for the single Seater to come out is my choice if you want to purchase this version don't expect to make an accurate B model from it. How would I rate 15 kits? First if you are looking for an E model the ProMonoVell Mudhen is the only way to go. Single Seater for accuracy in 1/48 the ancient Monogram is on top for engineering of the kit then the Hasegawa kit is. Until I see their single Seater I will reserve judgement, this might turn into being a very accurate non Mudhen 15. Academy, I would use the armament on the other 15's on the market. It is up to the modeller, this looks very nice and just needs a few tweaks to make it the best, just not nail on the head material for a B model, D model yes with some minor mods to the molds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 This "pile": "No matter how dear in my heart the Eagle is and with the inaccuracies pointed out on this one kit I will not be buying this one for that price only to buy a pile of aftermarket to correct the inadequacies.... " :)/> It is not that important, anyhow. I just found your critic a bit harsh... I have heard the cockpit has soft detail, weapons aren't accurate, etc.. Seems to be the usual for any kit but for the price don't ya think all those additional out of pockets make it so you paid more for aftermarket then you did for the kit. (' detail is good but you might want replace it with sites this and black box that. Print on the wheel are backwards, in usable and that is the most accurate parts for a B model in the kit! Even the manufacturer has stated the engine humps are "overstated''. So you tell me ? Don't get me started on the photo etch needed, nozzles are too long.......... Cheers Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CF104 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I have heard the cockpit has soft detail............. Cheers Dave Looking at the following previously posted photos I'd say the cockpit detail is just fine. Sometimes it's better to make a judgment call based on the real thing and not what you've heard. To me the 2 weakest points are the exhaust nozzles and ejection seats. The nozzles fall short due to the segment support rods. They are oddly shaped with a taper, are too wide and don't look at all like the real thing. Granted this can easily be replaced with styrene stock to get the proper look. As for the nozzles being too long, I'll leave that to the people in the know with the proper measurements. The Aces II seats look just okay but I always use aftermarket seats anyway so this is a non-issue for me. Cheers, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 My question is; What makes it so much more expensive than a Hasegawa equivalent? In 1986 when the Hasegawa F-15 came out, I paid $13,500 for a brand new Accord LX with all the bells and whistles. A 2013 Accord LX with all the bells and whistles will set you back just north of $45,000. Do the math. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Looking at the following previously posted photos I'd say the cockpit detail is just fine. Sometimes it's better to make a judgment call based on the real thing and not what you've heard. To me the 2 weakest points are the exhaust nozzles and ejection seats. The nozzles fall short due to the segment support rods. They are oddly shaped with a taper, are too wide and don't look at all like the real thing. Granted this can easily be replaced with styrene stock to get the proper look. As for the nozzles being too long, I'll leave that to the people in the know with the proper measurements. The Aces II seats look just okay but I always use aftermarket seats anyway so this is a non-issue for me. Cheers, John Are those your pictures, was wondering why all the holes or rivets they have on the backseater's floor? I have my Pratt book for f-100 PW100 engine mechanic book somewhere , will have to dig up the dimensions of the nozzles. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Looking at the following previously posted photos I'd say the cockpit detail is just fine. Sometimes it's better to make a judgment call based on the real thing and not what you've heard. To me the 2 weakest points are the exhaust nozzles and ejection seats. The nozzles fall short due to the segment support rods. They are oddly shaped with a taper, are too wide and don't look at all like the real thing. Granted this can easily be replaced with styrene stock to get the proper look. As for the nozzles being too long, I'll leave that to the people in the know with the proper measurements. The Aces II seats look just okay but I always use aftermarket seats anyway so this is a non-issue for me. Cheers, John But it's still not an accurate B model... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Please, for the love of everything, don't quote loads of pictures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkey Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Looking at the following previously posted photos I'd say the cockpit detail is just fine. Sometimes it's better to make a judgment call based on the real thing and not what you've heard. John Looks good, eh Berkut ^^ Edited December 21, 2013 by sharkey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Please, for the love of everything, don't quote loads of pictures. Sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
31Tiger Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Just for info: an F-15B can be build from this kit. This kit has the late style fairing aft of the speed-brake. This was introduced on fiscal-year 77 F15A and B's. The last blocks from the A and B production were already having lots of features of the later C and D models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Crew Dog Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Just for info: an F-15B can be build from this kit. This kit has the late style fairing aft of the speed-brake. This was introduced on fiscal-year 77 F15A and B's. The last blocks from the A and B production were already having lots of features of the later C and D models. I did not notice the change until we got our first C models at Langley but those were 80 models. The 74 model had the a model fairing as well as 76 model. At Kadena my 78 model and a 77 model had the C fairing. It appeared to me the transition was at the first roll off C models and the early fairing was on all the A models I worked so I assume it was in place on all a/B models (except the initial short boarded A models that IIRC were retrofitted with the long board. So my comparison was from comparison on the line, don't know exactly when the transaction took place officially. Cheers Dave Edited December 21, 2013 by Ol Crew Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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