Spectre711 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Do all Luftwaffe aircraft have their cockpits painted RLM 02? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThatJeffGuy Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 prior to a certain date yes...and then they used RLM66. Somebody will chime in with the date. I can't seem to ever remember it. I'm usually building early (RLM02) or late so I just know. But there's a boundary condition in there somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre711 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 I'm looking to build something that was shot down in early summer of 1942. So I guess June or July since there is a misprint on the decal insert. It says 4th of Jule?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThatJeffGuy Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Yeah that one could go either way. It will depend on when it was built (WrkNum). I'm not sure all planes were retro-fitted. What's the type, WrkNum and Unit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo Etgen Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Hi guys Perhaps the following link can be helpful? I have no idea how accurate it is and I am aware that certain aircraft are known to have had certain areas of the cockpit repainted from RLM 02 to RLM 66 prior to the official changeover in November 1941 but overall it does seem to be a nice guide to painting Luftwaffe interiors. http://www.swannysmodels.com/Painting.html Horrido! Leo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SBARC Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I've often wondered if the cockpit colour was changed from RLM 02 to RLM 66 on aircraft that were rebuilt after battle damage? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toadwbg Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 IIRC- bombers were converted over to RLM 66 cockpits earlier than single-seat aircraft/fighters. The fighter cockpit transition happened "around 1941", leaves a lot to interpetation. It's not like Fritz walked out on the airfield the next Monday morning and repainted everything! Attrition gave way to new models from the factory so a single squadron may have taken months to transition. Even factory parts certainly were mixed and matched for a while as some sub-assemblies had the new colors ahead of other sub-assemblies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre711 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 It a He111 H 6 of 1/KG26 but according to the link above the color should be RLM 66. Looks like the Ju188 I have slated to build soon also had RLM 66 in the pit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 toadwbg, that is one of the most intelligent statements I've seen posted in a long time. These things didn't occur like drawing down a window shade. there are also folks who think everything in the field was repainted to match the latest RLM standard. That would be a waste of material and mechanics' valuable time. The change would occur on the assembly line, but whereas many interior components were manufactured elsewhere by different companies, it might take some time before all cockpits were the new color completely. I would say both the examples Spectre711 mentions would almost certainly be RLM66. Hal Sr (By the way, repainting an interior would have to be one of the more difficult repaint jobs, and I would esate that it would only occur during a full rebuild. (The Luftwaffe was great for taking salvaged aircraft hulks, and rebuilding them into later variants.) Hal Sr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toadwbg Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 toadwbg, that is one of the most intelligent statements I've seen posted in a long time. That should be pinned :P I work for a "major Midwestern tractor manufacturer" and see these things unfold for real LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chomper Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 IIRC, I read somewhere a while back info on this. Fighters went from 02 to 66 sometime in 1942. Bombers were 66 from the get go. Transports were 02. Can't remember what was said about seaplanes. I can't recall which book it was in. I'd be delighted to get the hard facts on this, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) IIRC, I read somewhere a while back info on this. Fighters went from 02 to 66 sometime in 1942. Bombers were 66 from the get go. Transports were 02. Can't remember what was said about seaplanes. I can't recall which book it was in. I'd be delighted to get the hard facts on this, too. Fighters were in 1941, IIRC Edited September 29, 2013 by Hal Marshman Sr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThatJeffGuy Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I work for a "major Midwestern tractor manufacturer" and see these things unfold for real LOL Davenport? Do you know a guy called (Pat)rick C.? (met a dude who worked for John Deere in Cancun lol) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seawinder Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 It's a He 111H-6 of 1/KG26, but according to the link above the color should be RLM 66. Looks like the Ju188 I have slated to build soon also had RLM 66 in the pit. According to my research, RLM 66 is correct for the He 111 and undoubtedly for the Ju 188 as well. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Do all Luftwaffe aircraft have their cockpits painted RLM 02? No. Simple easy answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre711 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 No. Simple easy answer. Thanks for the help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
silver1 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 My down and dirty solution, while not pleasing to the purists, is Battle of Britain or before, RLM 02. After the BoB, RLM 66. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seawinder Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 My down and dirty solution, while not pleasing to the purists, is Battle of Britain or before, RLM 02. After the BoB, RLM 66. That may be okay for fighters, but I think not for bombers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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