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Meh.

Viper is far from new. Almost 25 years old now.

Corvette isn't a true super car as it's just a highly modified version of the street car.

Same goes for those Shelby's and that Camaro

The Rossion is just the Noble that was designed out of the US and then went bankrupt.

The Hennesy Venom is ridiculous I would love to see that car in person.

The other small companies are glorified track/kit cars meant to go fast but don't really offer any groundbreaking technology.

The big 3 are WAY behind.

I have to agree in general. Only I would dissagree about the ssc, remember that did take the fastest production car title away from the Veyron until they did the SS.

And I should say if we are talking super cars, the Shelby, Camaro and Vette don't belong as they are just fast sports cars. The viper doesn't qualify as a super car either as the engine is in the wrong place.

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And back on topic, I actually kind of like the new look. It's not as Mustang-y as I'd really like, but it is pretty sharp from the pics I've seen. I'll have to read up on the specs, but this may be a car I would consider buying as my next. I was considering a Dodge Challenger, but that's only because I'm one of those, what is it?, old "dinosaurs" from the "old generation" that "think they have money". And who knows, my next vehicle after that will probably be a mobility scooter from the scooter store, being I'm so ancient.:woot.gif:/>/> :rolleyes:/>/>

Bill

Now I'm really confused because I love the Challenger and I am only 31... Guess I must be an old dried up fossil as well. Guess that just blow that whole theory out of the water lol...

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The viper doesn't qualify as a super car either as the engine is in the wrong place.

I guess the Porsche 911 doesn't qualify either?

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...The viper doesn't qualify as a super car either as the engine is in the wrong place.

You mean not up on an engine stand being worked on by an overpriced mechanic? :monkeydance:/>

sorry, couldn't resist. Just a joke folks, I like foreign supercars as well.

Bill

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Now I'm really confused because I love the Challenger and I am only 31... Guess I must be an old dried up fossil as well. Guess that just blow that whole theory out of the water lol...

Funny, I don't remember seeing you at the old farts meeting last month. Of course they say memory is the first to go so perhaps I did see you. :woot.gif:

Bill

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BTW, I just read a little on the new Mustang and it is reported that it WILL have an independent rear suspension. So perhaps the dogging about it not being able to corner because of the solid rear end will stop. I am actually getting excited about the Mustang again. I didn't really care for the last make-over. I owned a 1995 GT and liked that body style much more. Of course, it's hard to believe that the upcoming 4 cylinder Mustang has 90 HP more than my 8 cylinder did. How times have changed.

Bill

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Funny, I don't remember seeing you at the old farts meeting last month. Of course they say memory is the first to go so perhaps I did see you. :woot.gif:/>

Bill

Ehhh what was that. Here let me put my hearing aid in :rofl:

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1968 390 GT Mustang.... now that brings back memories. Classmate in highschool had one with automatic, that thing was fast!!

Don

I've had it since 1987 and its not roadworthy at the moment but with a few simple mods I made it handle pretty well and go straight even better. The only draw backs are the FE engine being soo heavy and wide.

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I guess the Porsche 911 doesn't qualify either?

Nope. It's not powerful enough, the engine is in the wrongest place possible and it is too practical.

To be a super car, a car needs in my mind to be mid-engined, making 450+ bhp and be absolutely useless for anything other than going very fast around a track and making supermodels want to get to "know" you.

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The only draw backs are the FE engine being soo heavy and wide.

Yup!! Remember that well. Of course, where a 390 fit, a 428 would too. One of the worse cars I ever put headers on was the 390 Mustang. The shock towers, the bolts you couldn't get to... almost made me cry....

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I've never heard of a defined engine placement for "Super Cars" ...

So, do most Ferraris get disqualified due to the custom fitted luggage then ?

-Gregg

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Yup!! Remember that well. Of course, where a 390 fit, a 428 would too. One of the worse cars I ever put headers on was the 390 Mustang. The shock towers, the bolts you couldn't get to... almost made me cry....

I here you on that! Cut up a few tools just to make them fit in the tight areas.

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Nope. It's not powerful enough, the engine is in the wrongest place possible and it is too practical. To be a super car, a car needs in my mind to be mid-engined, making 450+ bhp and be absolutely useless for anything other than going very fast around a track and making supermodels want to get to "know" you.

911 GT3 RS is 450 HP, 0-60 in 3.6 sec

GT3 RS 4.0 is 500 HP, 0-60 in 3.4 sec

Sounds pretty super to me.

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I've never heard of a defined engine placement for "Super Cars" ...

So, do most Ferraris get disqualified due to the custom fitted luggage then ?

-Gregg

No, most would be disqualified because they are gt cars. The 458, 360, 430, etc are super cars. The f12, 599, california and the big front engined Ferraris with a boot you could fit more than a can of coke in would be gts.

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911 GT3 RS is 450 HP, 0-60 in 3.6 sec

GT3 RS 4.0 is 500 HP, 0-60 in 3.4 sec

Sounds pretty super to me.

Just being fast and powerfull does not a super car make. By that reasoning the likes of a BMW M5 or Shelby gt500 would be supercars when they are just suped up every day cars.

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I love 67 fastback

Even more like this

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I'm talking US only. Ford has a huge marke out of the US that's not a question. Nor is the mustang a dinosaur per se. What I mean is the US manufacturers are designing cars based on the past in order to appeal to the older market who has most of the money in this country.

I think you want to say US manufacturers incorporate styling cues to showcase a car's heritage. It's also called good business, as American muscle cars, have that option of appealing to the older crowd as well as the newer generation as evidenced by the numerous posted items in this thread. I like the one about the US teens liking the Mustang as their #1 car. Didn't see FRS on that list. Again heritage, a thing US car manufacturers can use as they have interesting cars, - who the F* would want to buy a Corolla with heritage styling. Can you say appliance-on-wheels appeal???

Whereas other manufacturers around the world are appealing to the younger markets and thus the future. Look at all the US "sports cars" of the last decade or so. They're all supposed throwbacks instead of doing something new and unique.

New and unique, doesn't garauntee sales in the US.

Lets look at the current sports cars in the US (sports cars, not super cars - limited production less than 100 a year, priced over $125k), and their numbers.

Mustang:

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On track to sell 76,000 units this year

Camaro

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Should sell over 80,000 this year

2014 Corvette

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With the new model 20,000 to 25,000 this year

Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ (a disclaimer a IMHO a sports car should have 300+ hp to start, but I'll leave it in for comparison purposes)

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Combined 25,000 max

Nissan 370z

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They are hoping to sell maybe 6500 this year in the US

At least the Corvette still stays somewhat cutting edge. That's about the best the US has. Wherein Europe and Asia are designing cars like the FRS that are meant for the younger enthusiasts but are every bit the car that a mustang is and they're keeping them affordable.

Many disagree, the FRS is as costly as a base v-6 Mustang or Camaro, it doesn't have the same horse-power, doesn't have the same acceleration times, is sold in fewer numbers and have worse interiors. There is a reason why they sell relatively few in the US, oh and to top it off if you get the Toyota version it will probably come with a few recalls also haha.

Plus there's no push for completely out there designs and cutting edge technology. When's the last new US super car? The ford GT? That's ten years old already. Technology is constantly evolving and they're seemingly going backwards.

So you are comparing some super cars like high end Porsche, Ferrari, or Lambo to US cars priced $100k - $300k less? I should hope there is cutting edge technology in there for that price.

Cutting edge technology like GM magnetic ride control that is used by Ferrari or Audi among others, or how about the Camaro Z-28 suspension (mulitmatic) that will find it's way into a Mercedes AMG SLS follow up?

Sorry dude, your view points on American car seems dated, let's not bring the Chev Volt or Tesla S into the conversation either.

cheers!

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, let's not bring the Chev Volt or Tesla S into the conversation either.

Yes, lets not. We wouldn't want the thread to catch fire at the drop of a hat.

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Hmmmmmm....I think I feel a mid-life crisis coming on...

I've always thought it'd be cool to have a 64 1/2 Mustang, because it came out the same month I did. I'm not an autophile by any stretch, so all this stuff about hp and performance stats don't mean much to me..I've just always liked the 'stang. I had a 1980 hatchback once..it was a run-out, beat-up eight-year-old POS by the time I got it, and I replaced the engine twice (the last one came out of a '79 Pinto.) Those old four-bangers were throwaway motors..if you go 75k out of one you were lucky (and American cars themselves rarely made it to 100k in those days.) But it was my first "cool car," and I loved it. It also coincided with my first "adult" relationship with a girl..and since we were both still living at home, the Mustang was the only place we had for "quality time" (her Escort was just too small for that sort of thing.)

A friend of mine had an '85 GT around the same time..that'd be my second choice, but only for personal nastolgic reasons. The 80s Mustangs were probably the least stylish of the entire line (especially the late 80s GTs with all the stupid tacked-on plastic ground effects and "venitian blind" taillights.) The '85 was the fastest I've ever gone in a car..my buddy got up to about 135mph on the Ohio Turnpike one night racing some kids in a Nissan Maxima (yes, we were very young and stupid at the time.)

Now if you'll excuse me, there are some kids I need to chase off my lawn.

SN

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Yes, lets not. We wouldn't want the thread to catch fire at the drop of a hat.

Yeah, Euro cars never do that ...

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-Gregg

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Yes well........ shad up. :taunt:/> :P/>

I'm well aware that euro cars, particularly low volume italian ones burt into flame quite alot, some times just from sitting at idle for too long.

But honestly the tesla thing in particular, with the car bursting into flames if the batteries touch a bit of metal in a wreck?! Considering the whole bloody car is made of the stuff I don't think I'd be filled with a great deal of confidence.

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And to come back to the original subject.

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I am filled with meh. Much to much still going on in the way of this retro nonsense. I would have rather seen something a bit more radical, along the lines of the blue thing a page back.

I am glad to see they have at least allowed the thing to come out of the stone age a bit and given it the independent rear.

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