Tweaking Teachers

[Ace Combat Zero]

So my pre engineering(I hate this class, because of the teacher, Mr. Morrison)class is on Wednesdays on 5 day weeks. This time is called 'Colloquium'. So, me and my partner Tyler, a seventh grader like me, (btw we are in a class with mostly freshman in high school) had to construct a bridge out of wooden sticks. So, me and Tyler decided to make the base first. Tyler cut the pieces, while I gave the instructions and actually glued the pieces together. So I finished that the first day of the project. He accepted the base and said it was good. So, during the second and third days we were thinking about the type of sides that we would make. The first plan failed, so we were just tweaking around. So the third day came and it was the deadline. Me and Tyler were still trying to figure out a plan for a bridge side. The period ended. We weren't done. So he walked up to me and started yelling at me. He said stuff like you're a fail and your bridge is a fail and you better wipe that sarcastic smile off your face (trying to hide urge to knock him out). He also said "What have you been doing all this time? You could have asked me how to do this because who knows it? I do." So let me make it clear that he has always been a tweak ever since I was in his class the first time. Every time I asked him a question, he gave me tad bits of an answer, not a complete answer; not something I could really work with. He was a lame. Sowhy should I ask him now? So, all the while, I was thinking, "Bro, you need to watch your tone with me, quit raising your voice like you actually mean something to anybody. He was saying "This will fail my class". I want to quit this class man, and I have a whole day with him on Wednesday the 18th. Initiating ***hole defense systems...

(BTW) The class is really nerdy and im really tired during period YZ (pre engineering). Tyler is cool though. So is this girl named Frieda.

[falcon20driver]

First off, I'm not sure why you decided to post this but I'll bite. As a flight instructor in a previous life I came to appreciate the difficulties of teaching. I think the most important thing you need to do is check the attitude. Even if you dont always agree with someone above you, you should always respect their position, especially teachers. Saying you wanted to hit him is unacceptable for any reason. The reason he doesn't just tell you the answer your looking for is that you wouldn't learn if he did. He is attempting to guide your thought process so you can reach the answer yourself and therefore learn how to reach that answer. I dont know what your goals are later in life, but the lessons you learn now will apply later, no matter what you do.

[Ace Combat Zero]

Ok, that makes sense. He still isn't that cool, he likes to put people down a lot. If you met him, you would see what I mean.

[toadwbg]

If you think this is difficult, wait until you start dating.

[Ace Combat Zero]

You think I haven't

[Darius at home]

I don't think engineering is for you. Juvenile creative writing on the other hand...

Darius

[mingwin]

First off, I'm not sure why you decided to post this but I'll bite. As a flight instructor in a previous life I came to appreciate the difficulties of teaching. I think the most important thing you need to do is check the attitude. Even if you dont always agree with someone above you, you should always respect their position, especially teachers. Saying you wanted to hit him is unacceptable for any reason. The reason he doesn't just tell you the answer your looking for is that you wouldn't learn if he did. He is attempting to guide your thought process so you can reach the answer yourself and therefore learn how to reach that answer. I dont know what your goals are later in life, but the lessons you learn now will apply later, no matter what you do.

Couldn't Agree more!

learning "to learn' and learning to "find by yourself" things, will certainly be some of the most valuable too your brain will ever have!

i remember, a couple of months ago, when i was advising you to do some search by yourself... i remember some members calling me an A$$ because of this... but still , i see that you have learned to do so, then after, have been able to show valuable (like in the MiG-21 bis-N topic)

your teacher might not be cool, remember that, sometime, life will teach you lessons, very valuable lessons... and this might not be cool at all when it will happen...

also, before doing anything(or saying anything), always ask yourself, what you want to do will cause, and if it will be helpful for you...

[gonzalo]

You are in 7th grade?!?

[GreyGhost]

Just an FYI, "tweaking" is slang for someone on meth ...

-Gregg

[toadwbg]

You think I haven't

Stop it before we have to have the birds and bees talk... B)

[Crazy Snap Captain]

ACZ,

You need to chill a bit buddy. Not every teacher is "cool" and some will always rub you the wrong way. This will happen in life even when you're older. All you can do is garner as much as you can from each person you deal with so that you can expand your own knowledge and experience. Falcon20driver is right. You need to firstly respect people and their position (even if, in your opinion, they are A holes). Wanting to clock your teacher is just not cricket. The guy gave you credit when you made your bridge base but lost it when you spent 2 days "tweaking". I think that's only to be expected.

Secondly I think your teacher is absolutely right in not just handing you the answer. The whole "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, but teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime" saying comes to kind here. You'll find it a whole lot more stimulating and rewarding if you work stuff out by yourself (with a bit of a helping hand of course). That's why Mingwin and a couple of others told you to research before posting questions. Who knows? Your research may even uncover something everyone else hasn't and you can share with us!

Anyway mate, try and stick with your classes no matter how boring or tedious they seem. Knowledge is a weapon so arm yourself as best you can. Now hit the books you insolent little brat! ;)/>

Edited December 18, 2013 by Crazy Snap Captain

[habu2]

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[Check Six]

So my pre engineering(I hate this class, because of the teacher, Mr. Morrison)class is on Wednesdays on 5 day weeks. This time is called 'Colloquium'. So, me and my partner Tyler, a seventh grader like me, (btw we are in a class with mostly freshman in high school) had to construct a bridge out of wooden sticks. So, me and Tyler decided to make the base first. Tyler cut the pieces, while I gave the instructions and actually glued the pieces together. So I finished that the first day of the project. He accepted the base and said it was good. So, during the second and third days we were thinking about the type of sides that we would make. The first plan failed, so we were just tweaking around. So the third day came and it was the deadline. Me and Tyler were still trying to figure out a plan for a bridge side. The period ended. We weren't done. So he walked up to me and started yelling at me. He said stuff like you're a fail and your bridge is a fail and you better wipe that sarcastic smile off your face (trying to hide urge to knock him out). He also said "What have you been doing all this time? You could have asked me how to do this because who knows it? I do." So let me make it clear that he has always been a tweak ever since I was in his class the first time. Every time I asked him a question, he gave me tad bits of an answer, not a complete answer; not something I could really work with. He was a lame. Sowhy should I ask him now? So, all the while, I was thinking, "Bro, you need to watch your tone with me, quit raising your voice like you actually mean something to anybody. He was saying "This will fail my class". I want to quit this class man, and I have a whole day with him on Wednesday the 18th. Initiating ***hole defense systems...

(BTW) The class is really nerdy and im really tired during period YZ (pre engineering). Tyler is cool though. So is this girl named Frieda.

The school you're attending; Do they teach how to make paragraphs?

Just wondering.

[sharkey]

Hi, teacher here. I couldn't even read this because you don't use paragraphs. D+

[DutyCat]

So my pre engineering(I hate this class, because of the teacher, Mr. Morrison)class is on Wednesdays on 5 day weeks. This time is called 'Colloquium'. So, me and my partner Tyler, a seventh grader like me, (btw we are in a class with mostly freshman in high school) had to construct a bridge out of wooden sticks. So, me and Tyler decided to make the base first. Tyler cut the pieces, while I gave the instructions and actually glued the pieces together. So I finished that the first day of the project. He accepted the base and said it was good. So, during the second and third days we were thinking about the type of sides that we would make. The first plan failed, so we were just tweaking around. So the third day came and it was the deadline. Me and Tyler were still trying to figure out a plan for a bridge side. The period ended. We weren't done. So he walked up to me and started yelling at me. He said stuff like you're a fail and your bridge is a fail and you better wipe that sarcastic smile off your face (trying to hide urge to knock him out). He also said "What have you been doing all this time? You could have asked me how to do this because who knows it? I do." So let me make it clear that he has always been a tweak ever since I was in his class the first time. Every time I asked him a question, he gave me tad bits of an answer, not a complete answer; not something I could really work with. He was a lame. Sowhy should I ask him now? So, all the while, I was thinking, "Bro, you need to watch your tone with me, quit raising your voice like you actually mean something to anybody. He was saying "This will fail my class". I want to quit this class man, and I have a whole day with him on Wednesday the 18th. Initiating ***hole defense systems...

(BTW) The class is really nerdy and im really tired during period YZ (pre engineering). Tyler is cool though. So is this girl named Frieda.

[DutyCat]

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Edited December 18, 2013 by DutyCat

[jester292]

Shouldn't this be on Instagram instead?

Aaron

[Jinxter13]

If every teacher gave the students the answers, they; the students wouldn't learn much. If it's as I suppose; teaching is providing students with the tools to do the work with a problem and find the correct answer each on his own. If they gave you the answer, nothing would be learned, and when faced with a problem once you're on your own you would either fail to find a solution, or be stuck waiting for someone else to come by and tell you what you need to do, in which case the learing process again failed. Teaching gives one the skills with which you can approach a problem and solve it without any help but that which you learned or were taught. Simply knowing the answer isn't good enough it's knowing how you came up with it, that counts. Life is full of problems, for which the answers are not in a book or readily available for the asking.

The hobby you're in is going to present you with problems unique to the kit you're working on, not one exactly like it, for which you will have to solve that problem on your own (no two builds are the same). Suggestions can and may be made, but the solution will be entirely left on you, and no teacher will be able provide the answer for/to you. So ACZ slow your roll, and get the most out of the class you're in; the harder you work using the tools he gives you to find the answers the easier it will be once you're on your own in the world. The teacher though you may not agree is doing the best for you, by having you find the solution on your own, he may give you a helping hint when you get stuck. Not many employers are not going to keep someone they have to constantly supervise and tell what needs or has to be done to get a job completed. FYI the military side of life is even more critical, as many here can attest. The teachers that made me work hardest while in school are the ones I appreciate most in life.

Edited December 18, 2013 by #1 Greywolf

[Darius at home]

Just an FYI, "tweaking" is slang for someone on meth ...

-Gregg

On first look at the thread title I read "Twerking" so I was somewhat disappointed when I read the story.

[ChesshireCat]

So my pre engineering(I hate this class, because of the teacher, Mr. Morrison)class is on Wednesdays on 5 day weeks. This time is called 'Colloquium'. So, me and my partner Tyler, a seventh grader like me, (btw we are in a class with mostly freshman in high school) had to construct a bridge out of wooden sticks. So, me and Tyler decided to make the base first. Tyler cut the pieces, while I gave the instructions and actually glued the pieces together. So I finished that the first day of the project. He accepted the base and said it was good. So, during the second and third days we were thinking about the type of sides that we would make. The first plan failed, so we were just tweaking around. So the third day came and it was the deadline. Me and Tyler were still trying to figure out a plan for a bridge side. The period ended. We weren't done. So he walked up to me and started yelling at me. He said stuff like you're a fail and your bridge is a fail and you better wipe that sarcastic smile off your face (trying to hide urge to knock him out). He also said "What have you been doing all this time? You could have asked me how to do this because who knows it? I do." So let me make it clear that he has always been a tweak ever since I was in his class the first time. Every time I asked him a question, he gave me tad bits of an answer, not a complete answer; not something I could really work with. He was a lame. Sowhy should I ask him now? So, all the while, I was thinking, "Bro, you need to watch your tone with me, quit raising your voice like you actually mean something to anybody. He was saying "This will fail my class". I want to quit this class man, and I have a whole day with him on Wednesday the 18th. Initiating ***hole defense systems...

(BTW) The class is really nerdy and im really tired during period YZ (pre engineering). Tyler is cool though. So is this girl named Frieda.

7th grade seems somewhat early in life to be thinking about pre-engineering, But if it's what you want then hang with it. I think your instructor needs to take a pill and chill out, as he's dealing with a couple of very young men. I never was too interested in mechanical engineering at your age let alone in high school. I never got interested in it till I got out of the army, and even then it just sort of fell into my lap. It started out as some math classes that became a serious challenge (this was when a scientific calculator would set you back $400 or more, and I earned $72 a week). Taking these classes taught me the basic fundamentals without the calculator skipping them. I did two semesters of trig and two semesters of calculus with out one, and got an A in each one. Teacher was stunned, but never told him how hard it was. Just kept at it. That evolved into Physics, and Applied Mechanics (without the calculator or Calculus). I had one instructor that flat told me I didn't belong in his class, and I accepted his challenge. I got the only A in the class, because I was not going to allow him to win! I then took a couple classes involving metallurgy, and just started adding credits here and there. From there, I seriously became interested in metallurgical engineering, and things like strengths and stresses which inturn showed me what Applied Mechanics was meant to teach me. Along the way I discovered more things to learn, and met a lot of folks to learn from along the way. A few years later I learn I lacked about fifteen hours from my degree, and the rest came along the way. Still I look back and can see that the field of metallurgy was my true calling. My job was building machinery, and doing a little design work along the way. Even later I learned the black art of reverse engineering, and added problem solving to boot. So how does all this apply to you? Don't give up the ship! Next time work just a little harder, and don't be afraid to seek advice from somebody that knows his stuff. As a last resort, your local library probably is a vast resource of data. When I did my first metallurgical term paper I virtually lived in the library, and compiled a bibliography that must have taken in thirty books alone. I didn't want to turn it in as I felt it was unfinished (I was gleaning knew knowledge everyday). You have to keep learning, and at times proving that you can do what they say you can't do!

Silly as it is, but one of the hardest things for me to learn was CAD! I kept at it, slowly reached steps after step till one day it all fell in place. I still don't do 3D all that well, but usually get by. It just became a new challenge that was not going to beat me up. My first foray into robotics came close to ruining me! I hated it (still do), but was not going to loose to something without a brain. Then one day it all sorta came in place, and wasn't any harder than riding a bike. Trust me you can do it if you really want to!

gary

[Kevan Vogler]

Keeping fully in mind that many teachers can be cool, I had one or two along the way, being popular isn't what they are paid for first and foremost. They are there to guide you to solutions, not spoon feed them to you.

I can empathize to a degree as I know what having unhelpful teachers can be like, some I had in school made me want to drive my forehead through the top of my desk in frustration because they seemed to prefer playing mind games to actually giving me enough to work with in order for me to get a task to completion. I had quite a few jaded, callous and nearly burnt out sorts as teachers who probably should have moved on into other careers before becoming that way.

However, I can't empathize with your feeling of wanting to punch your teacher. That's just complete lack of respect for authority structure. The teacher is above the student and that's that; you don't have to like your teacher and you teacher doesn't have to like you, but you do need to be able to work together toward a common goal. In your case, that goal is your education.

It's all very easy for you to point your finger and blame someone else for the problems that exist, but their finger is likely pointed squarely back at you.

Most immediately, going by the tone of your post, you have an attitude to get control of. It's fine to have attitude on your own time; but hang it in your locker with your jacket when you get to school, it will only get in your way in the classroom. If you can't learn to get a grip on it while you're still in school, you won't be able to hold a job for very long once you're out of there and in the work world.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Kevan Vogler

[caudleryan]

So, I take it that your teacher was the one calling you a fail. If so, one of the best things to do at that point is to bite your tongue and say nothing. I had to learn that the hard way. I know how hard that can be sometimes when the person you need to look up to the most is calling you a fail. I had plenty of it. But, instead of it getting me down, it motivated me to step up and prove that person wrong. Like you, we had to build the bridge as well. My step dad decided to help my with my project. So we sat down and after a while of putting tooth picks together, he stormed out of the room and said that I couldn't hold water together. I was only 15 at the time, so my attention to detail wasn't all the good. I had tears streaming down my face and it made me feel awful. But, I persevered and was determined to prove him wrong. I stayed up all night and built a pretty solid bridge. Took it to school the next day and it held over 80 pounds before finally failing. I know I have been jibbering on for a while, but the moral of the story is don't give up and keep your head high. Because, maybe some day, you'll get the last laugh. And you'll prove yourself without having to resort to violence. If he doesn't give you a complete answer, try to work it out in your head or on paper. Try to find a solution to the problem and apply that to your general knowledge. It teaches you to think, to use your brain. He isn't there to just give the answers out to you. He wouldn't be doing his job if he was. His job is to prepare you for what's coming up in your life.

[Edgar]

So, to paraphrase, having been given a project, after one failure, you and your mate gave up and did nothing, except ogle one of the girls in your class.

When your tutor expressed his (understandable) frustration at you, for wasting your time (and his,) your immediate reaction was to threaten violence, albeit keeping your feelings to yourself.

Here's a little advice (which, I have no doubt, will be ignored, but you'll get it anyway.) When you leave your safe, secure, cloistered life at school, you'll find that it's a tough old world, out there, and he who produces nothing, receives nothing. When your future boss tells you to do something, instead of trying to score with the office girls, you'd better do it, or be fairly quick on your feet, to avoid having the door smack you on the backside as you're thrown out onto the street.

You will also find out, as every fighter has always found out, throughout time, that, at some stage, you'll find someone bigger, stronger, and a heavier puncher than you, so violence can work both ways.

Edgar

[ChippyWho]

Behold the miracle of Christmas...my ARC Forums bookmark hath brought me unto Twitter.

[niart17]

Hi, teacher here. I couldn't even read this because you don't use paragraphs. D+ :tumble:/>

Hi, just curious here. Is the use of paragraphs as important as using complete sentences? (sorry, couldn't resist. you can send me to detention)

Anyway Ace, as others have said, hang in there. One thing my father always told me about "bad" teachers is you should NEVER let someone else's short comings stand in the way of your progress. There are teachers out there that inspire others to be like them by being great at what they do just as much as there are teachers out there that inspire others to not end up like them because they aren't so great at what they do. So what does that mean? Just concentrate on your performance and strive to be great no matter what the level is of those around you.

(New paragraph for the "teachers" here )But yes, ALWAYS have respect for those that teach. Imagine yourself having to teach the kids in your school. Look at all of the different kids and personalities and imagine that it is YOUR job to teach them. Not as easy as it seems is it?

Bill