sharkmouth Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/thread/1309959154/Trumpeter+and+HobbyBoss's+relationship.... It doesn't. Both Scott and David have posted this on other forums but I never caught it to correct them. The parent company is Wasan Plastics of Macau. They own AA Models, Banner, Hobby Boss, MGM Plastic, Mini-hobby, and Trumpeter. Hobby Boss is the newest company and is based on R&D provided by the most successful of the previous companies, Trumpeter. Wasan Plastics does business with other companies and will take away previously announced kits from their companies to offer another outside company. This is the case when Merit International (a US distributor who has done a lot of business with Wasan Plastics selling their Witty Wings) asked for model kits. Previously announced Hobby Boss and Trumpeter kits are now available through Merit International only. Regards, Edited December 23, 2013 by sharkmouth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scorvi Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 So it looks like that Hobbyboss and Trumpeter are owned by the same subsidary-Right?!?! So they could easily share molds for plastic kits right? My original thought is that Hobbyboss and Trumpeter have probably copied other kits to make their molds? It seems this has happened with other companies too---Revells 1/32 Hunter comes to mind-I believe that has some of the Echelon kit in it. I have heard this from the source (Frank Brown). To my eye it looks like Hobbyboss has relied heavily on the Grand Phoenix kits of the Demon and Fury to produce their kits (you can call this copying or research?/). They of course improved upon them with better tooling and fit....and the consensus is those are some of their best efforts-accuracy wise. I built the F-105 and it has its share of problems but a lot of them can be corrected with R-M parts and AM resin. as I showed in my photos I prefer the Hobbyboss tooling. The F-80 does not seem to be copied fromt eh R-M kit ad it has its share of issues. I am just hoping that if thye did copy part of the R-M kit then that is a good thing Right? Unless you work for the company and know for sure that is not the case then we are really ALL speculating-Isnt it fun?! But first rule of business is don't fix it if it aint broke and it would make sense to use existing models as guides to cut new molds esp. if they are accurate and easily copied...much cheaper than producing new masters and sending people from China to measure said examples-Just seems to be good business stance-Especially sicne copyright laws are far looser in China than in the USA or Europe. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 It is well known fact that they share data between each other. There is also a family aspect as to why they are closely related. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scorvi Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I think they are brothers or cousins something like that--Don't know for sure. Trumpeter 1/144 stuff is real nice and very inexpensively rpices BTW Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joK Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Hobbyboss and the Trumpy are the same thing.Trumpy just sent their products with a new name while they are actually one company. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon053 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Has anything more come out about the kit, when it will be out? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I'd rather see the single seater. Am I in the minority? Aaron Nope, single single for me too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I can hardly wait to see this... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Can somone please explain the obsession Americans have believing Trumpeters only good kits are copied? If they where copying the F-105,F-80,F-84 would all be better and worse in some areas and i could go on through 98% of the entire catalogue. Why woukd they cooy the Mono F-105 then not cooy the ventral strake, or the canopy mechanism on the Mono F-84F. If you copy a kit you dont say copy the fuselage but not the detail parts. If the F-14 was copied why are the intakes wrong yet they got in 32nd the canopy correct which Tamiya ballsed up. Generic statements saying they copy stuff doesnt stack up with the plastic in boxes with inconsistencies between the kits they release and those we continually say they copy. By definition and of the good stuff re,eased by two manufacturers should be similarly shaped and proportioned if they are both good hence the Demon. The evidence clearly favors them doing there own thing making mistakes as they go leading to good and bad kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) For me the only way ensure that a kit is a "copy" of another (I'm using quotes because I'm not sure that the word has a legal meaning when talking about kits... can the Academy U-2 be called a copy of the Airfix U-2 when it has recessed panel lines ?) is when shape issues of the original kit have been reproduced and that no existing reference material (but the original kit) has the shape issues. I don't do 3D design work but I can imagine how the general shapes would be properly copied but not the details. I guess that a 3D scanner produces raw data (constellation of points in space, surfaces ?) that need to be heavily reworked to be converted in a set of 3D objects. Since the designer is not familiar with the characteric shapes of the subject, he may misinterpret the raw data and introduce small shape errors. Edited March 16, 2014 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) We should be so lucky that they'd copy the Monogram kit. Then we'd at least get a reasonably accurate model without all of the stupid "features" Trumpeter, Kitty Hawk, et al. insist on adding, which do nothing but unnecessarily raise the parts count and add to the kit's fit issues. Ben Edited March 16, 2014 by Ben Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
305swag Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I'd rather see the single seater. Am I in the minority? Aaron I agree with you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F4DPhantomII Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Given Trumpeters history of messing things up,I'll stick with my Monogram/Revell kits. I have nointerests in the 2 seater or paying $90 for the kit from Trumpeter. Edited March 16, 2014 by F4DPhantomII Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Can somone please explain the obsession Americans have believing Trumpeters only good kits are copied? All I can say is, look at the really truly excellent kits Trumpeter has put out (the ones that don't have any real kind of major goof in them, that can be built accurately right out of the box). Then compare those to the efforts of other companies for the same subject matter. And often the parts breakdown is virtually identical. I'm not saying they're a 100% 1:1 copy, but clearly there is "influence" in them: 1. Trumpeter 1/32 Me262 <<< >>> Tamiya 1/48 Me262 2. Trumpeter 1/32 SBD Dauntless <<< >>> Accurate Miniatures 1/48 SBD Dauntless 3. Trumpeter 1/32 TBM <<< >>> Accurate Miniatures 1/48 TBM 4. Trumpet Boss (whatever) 1/32 F-84 Thunderjet <<< >>> Tamiya and Revell 1/48 F-84 Thunderjets I can tell you for an absolute fact that Chinese manufacturers (some, if not all) regularly obtain other companies' kits and 3D scan them. I've been told that in so many words by two of them in emails. 3D scanning does not equal copying necessarily (other than the basic outline of the parts), and much engineering still has to go into it, but it *is* done. J Edited March 16, 2014 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chriss7606 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Jennings forgot to mention the Trumpeter Panther. Some of the parts breakdown is the same as Monogram's kit and one sprue is identical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FCM Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) All I can say is, look at the really truly excellent kits Trumpeter has put out (the ones that don't have any real kind of major goof in them, that can be built accurately right out of the box). Then compare those to the efforts of other companies for the same subject matter. And often the parts breakdown is virtually identical. I'm not saying they're a 100% 1:1 copy, but clearly there is "influence" in them: 1. Trumpeter 1/32 Me262 <<< >>> Tamiya 1/48 Me262 2. Trumpeter 1/32 SBD Dauntless <<< >>> Accurate Miniatures 1/48 SBD Dauntless 3. Trumpeter 1/32 TBM <<< >>> Accurate Miniatures 1/48 TBM 4. Trumpet Boss (whatever) 1/32 F-84 Thunderjet <<< >>> Tamiya and Revell 1/48 F-84 Thunderjets I can tell you for an absolute fact that Chinese manufacturers (some, if not all) regularly obtain other companies' kits and 3D scan them. I've been told that in so many words by two of them in emails. 3D scanning does not equal copying necessarily (other than the basic outline of the parts), and much engineering still has to go into it, but it *is* done. J That, sure, would be nice if they always made when launching most of their kits, copying and improving kits from other brands. That would be much better than to develop their own projects and committing absurd and unacceptable errors such as those that occurred with their Hellcat, A-7 and F-80, just to point out some examples... Another example: Monogram has an excellent 1/48 series of kits that only lose positions by being raised lines. "TrumpBoss" could simply copy these kits, redoing the lines as engraved ones, and would get champions that Monogram despises to redo. Who could release a new 1/48 B-29, B-24 or B-17 with recessed lines? I can not imagine any other than TrumpBoss ... Edited March 16, 2014 by FCM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Who could release a new 1/48 B-29, B-24 or B-17 with recessed lines? I can not imagine any other than TrumpBoss ... Don't bet on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caudleryan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 And don't forget the $150 price tag...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Who could release a new 1/48 B-29, B-24 or B-17 with recessed lines? I can not imagine any other than TrumpBoss ... Well perhaps HK Models will start a Kiddy Range ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jozef57 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Well, my only comment to this topic would be : let them make 32nd too Jozef Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre711 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Looks even better with the Jersey ANG markings!:thumbsup:/> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Oh please... the only markings worthy of consideration on the F-106, as everybody knows, is the Michigan Six Pack :)/>/> I'll never, ever forgive ADC for sending our precious airplanes to, of all places, New Jersey... Edited March 17, 2014 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vince Maddux Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Looks even better with the Jersey ANG markings!:thumbsup:/>/> I like the six pack markings BUT I so whant to build the last New Jersey F-106 with all the signatures on it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dryguy Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I see a hole burning in my wallett....dare I say it, for aesthetic appeal the f106 is perhaps under appreciated? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Diamondback Six Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Jennings: Oh, please... 318th FIS "Green Dragons" all the way! (My grandfather retired out of the Dragons, and a prof of mine was one of the last CO's before they transitioned to F-15s.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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