jgrease Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 So if I delete ten of my posts and state as much, does that somehow convey some kind of anger or something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 So if I delete ten of my posts and state as much, does that somehow convey some kind of anger or something? No, I wasn't trying to convey any anger, annoyance, peevishness, or even slight irritation by deleting my posts. On further reflection, my posts were not contributing to the discussion about the accuracy of Trumpeter's F-106 kit, and would probably have been misconstrued by some readers as trolling, so I decided they should, therefore, be deleted. Cheers! Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 the F-16 was done in, at least a dozen variants. Please list the dozen variants because, other than adding a spine and CFTs, there's really only two. Three if you count the XL. so your example is not a valid one... The original "fact" made no reference to the number of aircraft produced, nor the number of airframe variants. My example is valid. Manufacturers have made dozens of kits (yes I can list them) with both good following bad and bad following good. How about the number of space shuttle models available? Would that limited production run and lack of variants better illustrate my point? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scvrobeson Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Strange how people still assume Trumpeter can just pop onto Google and image search for everything they need for their kits. Last time I checked, Internet access isn't the un-restricted super-highway in China that it is here. Maybe their only option is to use the drawings out of old books, because it's what they can get their hands on. Not like they can pop down to a museum and check out an F-106 either. Doubt there are any floating around in Asia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swimmer25k Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Have you seen Trump's F-100 kits? How does mine look? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 In a nutshell: The intakes are off, but the rest looks pretty nice and will hopefully build up a bit easier than the Monogram kit. The intakes aren't a deal breaker for me, but if a set of replacement intakes was offered that had a bit of a better shape, I would probably spring for them. Now to get a nice set of 49th FIS decals. I grew up in upstate NY and got to see them first hand at Griffiss AFB. Good memories! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Last time I checked, Internet access isn't the un-restricted super-highway in China that it is here Ok but is it the case everywhere in China ? Macau ? Hong Kong ? Shenzhen ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Please list the dozen variants because, other than adding a spine and CFTs, there's really only two. Three if you count the XL. The original "fact" made no reference to the number of aircraft produced, nor the number of airframe variants. maybe, but companies consider that kind of things when they decided to produce a new model tooling My example is valid.NO it isn't Manufacturers have made dozens of kits (yes I can list them) with both good following bad and bad following good.agree with you on that point, there was all kind of (spitfire, Emils, phantoms, vipers...all rather famous aircraft, or widely produced, or widely exported, or having a wide variety of schemes...) How about the number of space shuttle models available? Would that limited production run and lack of variants better illustrate my point? about your shuttle example, you clearly haven"t understand what i've wrote about the F-22, it's a "one of a kind" thing, spectacular, that no other aircraft can compare to. it has a "wow" factor, that even if i like the F-106, it's clearly not in this category... and how many 1/72 shuttle there is on the market???(2?) and about the variety of models of f-16, there was also a YF-16, two different engines used, leading to two different size of intakes, different tail bases, a wide variety of lumps and bumps that change from version to version, different stab size... i'm sure if i was a f-16 expert i could name you lots more of differences... my guess is that you're of those who don't sees those differences... as for the schemes??? thunderbirds, adversary, grays...but also all king of camouflages (even if mostly on export versions) and all those special schemes of the exported machines... no, really, F-106 anf F-16 are two world far appart in therm of appeal for a plastic model company... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChernayaAkula Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) It's not how many variants or marking options there are/were, it's about all about how big the market is. How many kits can you expect to sell? F-16 market? Huge! Mustang market? Huge! Spitfire market? Huge! Space Shuttle market? Probably also large enough. F-106 market? Compared to the other examples, far more limited (for whatever reasons). Someone does an F-16, good or bad, another manufacturer with a new tool of their own can still reasonably expect to recoup their investment. The market is just big enough. Someone does an F-106 (especially an established manufacturer like Trumpeter) and another manufacturer will have to think very hard about shelling out the dough for a new tool. Simply because there aren't as many potential buyers as for an F-16/Mustang/Spit/anything-with-a-swastika-on-it. Can they expect to get a slice of the cake big enough to warrant the investment (let alone make any profit)? So, with the markets for some types being limited (whatever the reasons), it's not only imaginable that the existence of one model may discourage someone else from doing the same subject, it's sane business practice to look whether the market can sustain another model. They are companies, in it for the profit, not charities! Edited August 24, 2014 by ChernayaAkula Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 How does mine look? Looks pretty awesome from my side of the equator! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vaildog Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Strange how people still assume Trumpeter can just pop onto Google and image search for everything they need for their kits. Last time I checked, Internet access isn't the un-restricted super-highway in China that it is here. Maybe their only option is to use the drawings out of old books, because it's what they can get their hands on. Not like they can pop down to a museum and check out an F-106 either. Doubt there are any floating around in Asia. The Chicoms have hacked every detail of current US military technology, up to the f-35. Getting the specs for the f-106 should be no problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 The Chicoms have hacked every detail of current US military technology, up to the f-35. Getting the specs for the f-106 should be no problem. good one! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 How does mine look? it looks rather nice from this angle... i have no doubt about your modeling skills!...i would like to see more of it...was it in the display case?...and i'm pretty sure that if flaws could be found under a very tight and close inspection, it will be related to the model's inaccuracies... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scvrobeson Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Ok but is it the case everywhere in China ? Macau ? Hong Kong ? Shenzhen ? I think everywhere the Chinese government can reach is pretty restricted. But there could be areas where things are a bit more open. Communism is certainly an interesting business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scvrobeson Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 The Chicoms have hacked every detail of current US military technology, up to the f-35. Getting the specs for the f-106 should be no problem. I'm suuure that the Chinese government would share that info with Trumpeter if they just asked nicely, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 How does mine look? Nice! I really like your treatment of the titanium area on the aft fuselage. I've never been able to get the discolored metal to look that good on my Huns. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gene K Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 ...if a set of replacement intakes was offered .... This coming from a resin entrepreneur? Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I'm suuure that the Chinese government would share that info with Trumpeter if they just asked nicely, right? :whistle:/> http://everythingnonfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bribery.jpg http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Bribe_Under_Table_Wide.jpg http://worldmeets.us/images/bribery.china_graphic.gif Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 In a nutshell: The intakes are off, but the rest looks pretty nice and will hopefully build up a bit easier than the Monogram kit. The intakes aren't a deal breaker for me, but if a set of replacement intakes was offered that had a bit of a better shape, I would probably spring for them. Now to get a nice set of 49th FIS decals. I grew up in upstate NY and got to see them first hand at Griffiss AFB. Good memories! Darren The 49th FIS is also one of my favourite squadrons for the F-106. I saw them at an air show at Griffis AFB so many years ago when they were active. It was pretty cool. They were even in the alert barns with a guard telling us we could not go over there. I have a shot of one at the air show where the base rescue guys performed a pilot extraction on the 106. Got a real nice photo of the aircraft on the tarmac during that exhibit. Made a big print but no where to hang it :( As for decals, I managed to pick up a couple of sheets. Superscale released two sheets. The first one was a two squadron set with one of the markings being the 49th FIS. The green on this sheet was too light in my mind but may look ok on the finished model. Several years later Superscale re-released the markings but now only the 49th FIS markings are on the sheet. The green is a lot better now being a little darker. I will see if I can scan the sheets so you can see the difference. So just wanted to let you know the markings exist and will probably be on my next F-106. I will get the sheet number for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I did that second SS release. The first one didn't have the lightning bolts on the fuel tanks, which bugged me to know end. I tried to do them myself, but couldn't back in the day. The rerelease has the fuel tank markings. Oh the memories. I'll have to scan some of the pictures I have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabre Freak Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 How does mine look? How does yours look? It looks like what I've always advocated, we can unequivocally despise unbuilt plastic, unabashedly criticize the manufacturer, and still admire outstanding workmanship... Good job! Now, can't we all just get along? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I did that second SS release. The first one didn't have the lightning bolts on the fuel tanks, which bugged me to know end. I tried to do them myself, but couldn't back in the day. The rerelease has the fuel tank markings. Oh the memories. I'll have to scan some of the pictures I have. Darren thanks so much for the info. I completely missed that. It must be that forest and trees thing. I was so concerned about the colour of the eagle that I missed those tank markings. Silly me. My second F-106 will be the F-106b from Michigan with that great yellow and black checkerboard. Superscale released a sheet with those markings which was strange at the time considering there was not an F-106B kit. I believe this was before Falcon and C&H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon50EX Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Could someone out there post a close up photo of the Monogram F-106 Intake taken from a similar angle as the trumpeter, so i could see how much closer Monogram got to getting the shape right? I don't hear anyone complaining about the intakes on that model. david (Who has actually finished a Monogram F-106) Edited August 30, 2014 by Falcon50EX Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 A photo of the Trumpeter plastic kit, not of the RP, could be good too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Could someone out there post a close up photo of the Monogram F-106 Intake taken from a similar angle as the trumpeter, so i could see how much closer Monogram got to getting the shape right? I don't hear anyone complaining about the intakes on that model. david (Who has actually finished a Monogram F-106) Here's one I built about 25 years ago (No comments about the dust! :D/>/> ). Looks like the biggest issue is the shape of the lower half of the intake, like maybe the splitter plate needs to be extended down a little, which would allow the lower part of the intake lip to be more perpendicular to the side of the fuselage? The upper half's shape doesn't look too bad. Other image, for comparison. I didn't quite get the angle right to match the photo of the real jet, so it looks like Monogram's intakes aren't the same as the real jet's. They are actually pretty close. And a front view. Fortunately, the nose is out of focus so you can't see all of the dust. Ben Edited August 30, 2014 by Ben Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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