Jan-Pawel Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hi everybody ! I have some questions about a specific Bf-109. The camo : RLM79 (upper surfaces) and RLM78 (lower surfaces), white (prop, part of the nose, wingtips and fuselage band). Markings : Luftwaffe's crosses, triple chevron and number 4 (white with black outline). It seems there is no svastika. First question : which variant is it ? Some says it's a G-2, others it's a G-4... A decals manufacturer also says it's a F-4 ! Second question : who is the user ? Generaly presented as piloted by Gustav Rodel of JG27. Somebody on internet says it's not exact and the aircraft belonged in fact to JG77. Well... What's your opinion ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 G R Morrisson spots this and responds, you can take what he says to the bank. Short answer, no it's not Rodel's mount. Hal Sr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo Etgen Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hi Jan It is generally regarded that the aircraft that you are interested in was a Bf 109 G-2/Trop of the Geschwaderstab of JG 77. I hope this helps somewhat. Horrido! Leo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jan-Pawel Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Thank you very much. Few month ago, I wanted to build something simple and without headache. The Hobbyboss kit of the Bf-109G-2/trop sounded to be a good subject (it is also an interesting source of spares parts). But when I checked it accuracy, I wasn't sure with what to do to improve it. For example : the tail wheel is not the same between a G-2, a G-4 or a G-6. Edited January 21, 2014 by Jan-Pawel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G.R.Morrison Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Thank you, Hal for your kind words. Were I to believe them, I'd likely have to buy a bigger helmet. ;-) I think Mr. Etgen's replies can be safely brought to the bank as well. As to the bird under discussion: This is another of the 'repeat it enough times and it becomes true -- for someone' identifications. This Bf 109G-2/Trop (WNr.10645) belonged to the Stab/JG 77, and was pranged on 1.December 1942 at Arco Philaenorum (in Libya). Despite the only ~25% damage, it was left behind during the retreat. Most of the photos of this one are from January 1943. These photos show both sides of the machine. Being a nearly-intact enemy machine, it was a camera-magnet for the passing British troops. The Rodel and Sicily label is a mistake -- but a widely reprinted one. BTW, the Stab of the JG 77 was using Bf 109G-6s before they departed Tunisia. There are other examples, photographed in Italy, that show continued use of the white chevrons. The "weiße-Winkel-A" that is sometimes labeled as belonging to Schroer is another JG 77 machine. Schroer's (black) "Winkel-A" was a 109F-4/Trop of the I/JG 27. Jan-Pawel, you might enjoy checking-out David Weiss' () a.k.a. 'Falcon') site if you are not yet familiar with it: http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/ Photos #5729 and 6754 are of the aircraft under discussion (although we disagree on the Werknummer). Good luck with your build, GRM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jan-Pawel Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Thank you for your help, once again. Now, I'm working on a small Revell Rafale M. So, the building will probably not start immediately... But before that, I will have to make a list with the improvements and corrections to do. Edited January 27, 2014 by Jan-Pawel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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