Bonanza27 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Anyone know the correct colors the ANG A-7K's are in the two tone grays? One combo says they are 36375 Dark Ghost Gray and 35737 Blue Gray and the other reference I have say they are 36270 and 36118. Secondly I am building the Academy KIA T-50 trainer as the aircraft Lockheed is proposing for the T-38 replacement. Wanting to build it in the two tone grays used on T-38's. Anyone know the correct colors for these? I am guess 36118 for the dark gray nose and tail, but the light gray have no idea. Thanks for any help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
airmechaja Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Are you referring to this scheme? photo share Is so, I think the colors are FS16081 and FS16473. There is some debate on that though. :cheers:/> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmel Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 ANG two-tone grays used on the A-7D/K were the same as F-16s and F-4s: 36270 and 36118. In some cases, semi-gloss paints were used, making the colors 26270 and 26118. Check your references for the jet you're building. Jake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bonanza27 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 thanks for the replies. Knew the blue gray did not seem correct. On the T-38, yes that is the scheme. Will use a sheet of the Caracal decals (need to order those today) for the basic markings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I'm not at all convinced that 16473 is the color in the middle on the T-38s. That's been quoted, but has anyone seen an official paint spec that says that? Maybe it's just a trompe l'oeil, but it sure looks lighter than ADC Gray to me, in every photo I've seen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moose135 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I'm not at all convinced that 16473 is the color in the middle on the T-38s. That's been quoted, but has anyone seen an official paint spec that says that? Maybe it's just a trompe l'oeil, but it sure looks lighter than ADC Gray to me, in every photo I've seen. I have a PDF of AF Tech Order 1-1-4 "EXTERIOR FINISHES, INSIGNIA AND MARKINGS, APPLICABLE TO USAF AIRCRAFT" Revised 14 July 1998. It still shows the T-38 in white, but shows the AT-38B in three color - 15450 Light Blue, 15164 Gray, and 15109 Dark Blue. I haven't been up close to an AT-38B in a hundred years, but the current colors on the T-38 look about the same to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The current scheme is just two colors of gray. Looks like an Oreo... The three blue scheme was the old "grape" scheme when the AT's were based at Holloman. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moose135 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 OK, thanks, Jennings - they were all white when I flew them, but I did get a few rides in the Holloman ATs during ROTC. I thought they were using the same scheme on the pilot training birds these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) Wouldn't say that the darker Grey on the T-38 is 16118, looks a lot darker in these pics more like 16081. The front a/c is 36118/36270 http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g151/rivetjoint/USAF%20trainers/2564c1.jpg http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g151/rivetjoint/USAF%20trainers/2556a1.jpg The lighter Grey depends on what picture you look at. Unless someone can produce the definite answer, I would say it's somewhere between 16473 and 16515, but is that possible? If it was my build I would consider a 50/50 mix of the two. What's the story behind the Hill Grey T-38's anyway? Edited February 7, 2014 by scotthldr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 It's not even a safe assumption these days that it's an FS595 color. The "oreo" scheme is the current standard for T-38 trainers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 My initial impression was that it looked very similar to Boeing BAC707 Grey, which as you know equates to FS16515. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonSS3 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Is this the scheme you're referring to Moose? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moose135 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Yes, that's the one, Don. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric B. Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Hi all, Specifically on the question of T-38s 2 tone colors I have seen very different series of photographs : Some show definately dark grey/light grey camo while others show an almost black/almost white livery. Interpreting photographs, even modern color pictures, can be difficult. Is there any way there actually are two different colors schemes, or is this just a matter of printing or differences in photo constrast and exposure? Here are some photos Grey/Grey http://www.ecpropertymanagement.com/resources/cool+T-38+web+large.jpg http://www.ecpropertymanagement.com/resources/3+ships+web+large.jpg http://www.ecpropertymanagement.com/resources/DSC_2636+web+large.JPG Black/white http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/T-38_560FTS_RandolphAFB_2001.jpeg http://nice-cool-pics.com/data/media/29/usaf_t-38_talon_trainers_in_four-ship_formation.jpg Notice, I reckon RA 66389 appears in both grey/grey and "black"/"white" series of photos. Cheers Eric B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Eric, I'm pretty sure all of the photos you've posted show the exact same paint scheme. The variation you perceive is due to different lighting conditions and brightness/contrast of the photos; nothing else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Surely someone can lay hands on a Air Force technical spec for that scheme? It's been around for years now... That would answer it once and for all. Edited February 10, 2014 by Jennings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric B. Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Hi, Eric, I'm pretty sure all of the photos you've posted show the exact same paint scheme. The variation you perceive is due to different lighting conditions and brightness/contrast of the photos; nothing else. Thanks Kursad, That is basically what I am thinking, still I find it amazing there is such a high tonal variation on modern, colour photographs, especially as both "versions" are numerous, not just the exception. Also why I was pointing that 66389 could be found on both series of photographs; I had a doubt it could have been repainted between both series of photos. Photo effect is weird, bringing the above question to me. Thank you. Eric B. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Captoveur Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 This may be just me but I am thinking Gunship Gray over ADC gray. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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