Laurent Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I guess it would also depend whether it comes with the Doppler fairing moulded on or separate. It's separate. See Pacheco's post. There is the camouflage similar to the picture that you posted of the R2Z, and at least one of them had a shark mouth over the Doppler fairing Specially made for Saul :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkmouth Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Specially made for Saul :)/> It sure is! Thanks! I am going broke with these releases. I am not complaining so much for my wallet as the time I don't have to even drool over the sprues! But drool I will! Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I am going broke with these releases. ... especially when there'll be the AMX in a not too distant future... Source: http://www.axlsairplanes.com/attackers/amx/107#8933 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkmouth Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Wow... I may as well reply to every one of these vendors: Regards, Edited October 21, 2014 by sharkmouth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoosfoos Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Can anyone tell me the difference between the IIIR and the IIIRD? Ive been looking at photos of them online and can't see any difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Can anyone tell me the difference between the IIIR and the IIIRD? Ive been looking at photos of them online and can't see any difference. the D is for Doppler... so there is a big rounded bump under the nose. like on this one(or that one) Edited October 22, 2014 by mingwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoosfoos Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 the D is for Doppler... so there is a big rounded bump under the nose. like on this one(or that one) Ah, yes. Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Available for pre-order MIrage III Pre-Order Stephen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoosfoos Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 So I guess the Mirage 5 and variants with canards will be in another boxing? Is it safe to assume Kinetic will get a lot of mileage from this tooling? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 So I guess the Mirage 5 and variants with canards will be in another boxing? Sprue photos from Shizuoka show that the canards come on a common sprue. There's the plastic to do a Brazilian modernized MIIIEBR AFAIK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El pibe vitina Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Sprue photos from Shizuoka show that the canards come on a common sprue. There's the plastic to do a Brazilian modernized MIIIEBR AFAIK. The same photos also shows Mirage 5' nose pieces. So we should expect another boxing. Bye for now... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoosfoos Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Thanks, guys. Wow, what a lot of potential in this kit. I've already ordered 2 of many. Edited October 23, 2014 by Hoosfoos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) The same photos also shows Mirage 5' nose pieces. So we should expect another boxing. Indeed but I'd rather say "Nesher/Dagger nose pieces". Mirage 5 is a very vague designation that covered very different looking aircrafts. Here's a M5SDE... Source: http://www.flyfanfor...=3713&start=340 AFAIK Kinetic didn't do all types of noses like: - Aïda II - ready nose (similar to the Nesher/Dagger nose but with a pointy dielectric nose tip) of M5COA, M5G, etc - all metal with pitot at nose tip of M5BA, M5P, etc Edited October 23, 2014 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El pibe vitina Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Indeed but I'd rather say "Nesher/Dagger nose pieces". You are right, sorry. Bye for now... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The sprues were on display at Telford and looked very good although I'm no expert on the Mirage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caiotfjr Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Indeed but I'd rather say "Nesher/Dagger nose pieces". Mirage 5 is a very vague designation that covered very different looking aircrafts. Here's a M5SDE... Source: http://www.flyfanfor...=3713&start=340 AFAIK Kinetic didn't do all types of noses like: - Aïda II - ready nose (similar to the Nesher/Dagger nose but with a pointy dielectric nose tip) of M5COA, M5G, etc - all metal with pitot at nose tip of M5BA, M5P, etc Originally, Mirage V wasn't a very vague description. It was a custom designed attack version for Israel (Mirage 5J) wich deleted the all-weather Cyrano II radar, replacing the dieletric nose for a metal one. After the 6-Day war, France embargoed the delivery of the planes, delivering them to ALA as Mirage VF. Through spying, Israel obtained the blueprints, producing an identical, non-licensed version (we would call it a "pirate" copy today), naming them "Nesher", latter sold to Argentina as Daggers. So, Neshers were really a Mirage 5J, the "father" of all Mirage Vs and the expertise acquired producing the Neshers were latter used to produce the Kfirs Like the seemlingly endless Mirage III suffixes, wich only differece was the country they were sold to, came the endless Mirage V sufixes. Of course, to create a little bit more confusion, came versions like M5SDE and VPA, more similar to the Mirage III than to the V. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Antoine Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 1415673385[/url]' post='2662361']Through spying, Israel obtained the blueprints, producing an identical, non-licensed version (we would call it a "pirate" copy today), naming them "Nesher", latter sold to Argentina as Daggers. So, Neshers were really a Mirage 5J, the "father" of all Mirage Vs and the expertise acquired producing the Neshers were latter used to produce the Kfirs That was indeed the story told at the time.It's been since proved wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Through spying, Israel obtained the blueprints, producing an identical, non-licensed version (we would call it a "pirate" copy today), naming them "Nesher", latter sold to Argentina as Daggers. Recent litterature (Rivas/Cicalesi "Latin American Mirages", fourth book of the Mirage monography, ...) doesn't support this. The embargo that prevented the M5J delivery was on complete aircrafts but not on spare parts... The spying stuff was just a cover story, the Neshers have been shipped. The "Latin American Mirages" book has two Dagger detail photos where there are Aérospatiale ID plates, not IAI... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Recent litterature (Rivas/Cicalesi "Latin American Mirages", fourth book of the Mirage monography, ...) doesn't support this. The embargo that prevented the M5J delivery was on complete aircrafts but not on spare parts... The spying stuff was just a cover story, the Neshers have been shipped. The "Latin American Mirages" book has two Dagger detail photos where there are Aérospatiale ID plates, not IAI... Gotta love the French! I had long assumed that this was the case but never read anything that conclusively rebutted the espionage story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caiotfjr Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Gotta love the French! I had long assumed that this was the case but never read anything that conclusively rebutted the espionage story. The first time I read there wasn't an espionage plot was here. Aerospatiale ID plates in the Daggers seem conclusive about were the planes were done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenshb Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Aerospatiale? Weren't the components built by Dassault? Jens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Aerospatiale? Weren't the components built by Dassault? Subcontractor ? Edited November 11, 2014 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoosfoos Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Decal scan up. http://img.luckymodel.com/default.aspx?item_no=KI-K48050 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 This article gives a good rundown of the various Mirage 5 Versions; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoosfoos Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Update with sprue shots: https://www.facebook.com/Kineticmodel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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