JackMan Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Nice & dirty :) http://i.imgur.com/20Z2CFQ.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MIG Mikkel Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 whatta ya expect, it's from Grecce :P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 At least the canopy is clean on this one: http://www.bagram.afcent.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090728-F-8155K-121.JPG Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy Snap Captain Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Love a dirty Viper. Great pic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mingwin Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 those Hellenic F-16 are some of the most weathered aircraft i've ever see. that makes them very interesting modelling subjects! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 whatta ya expect, it's from Grecce :P/>/> Heh :rofl:/> Yup, it's nice & Greecy ...oops, I mean, Greasy :lol:/> At least the canopy is clean on this one: Jari Wow, I've never seen a USAF Viper look so dirty. Great subject for modeling. It reminds me of those USMC Phantoms based in Da nang, Vietnam. The sand & sea water made those birds very weathered. Mingwin, yup. I'm thinking the new 1/72 Tamiya Vipers are an excellent choice. The great panel line/rivet details on that kit would be an ideal canvas for weathering. http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=272379&st=140 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Here is another one: http://www.bagram.afcent.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090728-F-8155K-190.JPG Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nikosmeta Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Nice & dirty :)/> http://i.imgur.com/20Z2CFQ.jpg If you think that this is a dirty Greek viper you are very mistaken :rolleyes: Who ever is really interesting he can PM and I will send him more dirty Greek Fighters photos. Nikos from Greece Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fulcrum1 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) I'm very interested in those pictures of vipers, as well as phantoms, sluffs, and anything else Greek and dirty...... :banana:/> Edited May 18, 2014 by fulcrum1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy Snap Captain Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Which raises an interesting question. Why are Greek aircraft so dirty? I've heard theories about the harsh Med sun, but I'm assuming that the same sun shines in Italy & Spain, yet their aircraft are relatively clean. Is it just that they repaint them less (funds related)? Maybe the airfields are dustier/dirtier? I remember when I visited Souda Bay and Araxos the places were pretty barren compared to say Ramstein. Any old HAF boys out there that can confirm? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruud Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I've read a combination of being in the sea air a lot, air pollution, and being out in the sun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Which raises an interesting question. Why are Greek aircraft so dirty? I've heard theories about the harsh Med sun, but I'm assuming that the same sun shines in Italy & Spain, yet their aircraft are relatively clean. Is it just that they repaint them less (funds related)? Maybe the airfields are dustier/dirtier? I remember when I visited Souda Bay and Araxos the places were pretty barren compared to say Ramstein. Any old HAF boys out there that can confirm? I've read a combination of being in the sea air a lot, air pollution, and being out in the sun. I think I agree with these statements. If you look at the 160th SOAR MH-60's and MH-47's based at Joint Base Lewis McChord near Tacoma, Washington, you'll see that they are very heavily weathered compared to the ones based in Kentucky. I think that the close proximity to the Puget Sound is the cause of this. This mixed with the intense sun of the Med would help explain why the Greek birds are so heavily weathered. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nikosmeta Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I would agree about the sun and the sea. But I think that also the intense use of the aircraft are also a reason for the extreme weathering Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mirage3 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 How about that ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Heh :rofl:/>/> Yup, it's nice & Greecy ...oops, I mean, Greasy :lol:/>/> Wow, I've never seen a USAF Viper look so dirty. Check out some pics of USAF Vipers stationed in Iraq. Many of them were much dirtier than the Greek example. As I understand it, it was due equally to being worked hard and being exposed to continuous dust storms which stuck to every bit of grease / oil / hydraulic fluid on the aircraft exterior. Some looked like they were in a three tone brown, grey & grey scheme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I've read a combination of being in the sea air a lot, air pollution, and being out in the sun. Pretty much sums it up. Greek a/c spend a lot of time low level over the Aegean/Med/Ionian and Crete seas, this combined with the harsh Greek sun which is a lot harsher than in Italy and Spain, fades the a/c quicker than normal. Also different colours fade quicker than others and with differing effects ie: some Greens fade faster than others and the same applies to Greys. With Greek F-16/F-4/RF-4 and A-7 being 3 tone the colours fade at different rates giving them a very patchy and distressed appearance. If you look at the Hellenic M2K's they tend to be cleaner as they spend less time LL. The Blk52's have the "Have Glass" paint finish which picks up grime very easily and they take on a overall dirty Grey look, were as the Blk50's take on a very patchy look same as the F-4's and A-7's. However the newest Blk52 Adv appear to maintain some level of cleanliness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Distressed, but not in a neat quilted pattern like you see on SO many models... You don't see a neat dark line down every row of rivets and panel edge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy Snap Captain Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Distressed, but not in a neat quilted pattern like you see on SO many models... You don't see a neat dark line down every row of rivets and panel edge. True, But it is pretty regular... Dirty1 Dirty2 Edited May 18, 2014 by Crazy Snap Captain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 The Blk52's have the "Have Glass" paint finish .. Are you saying the HAF B52 Vipers have "Have Glass" paint? Unaware that was being 'exported'... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Yip, the Blk52+ F-16's of 337,340 and 343 Mira's have the "Have Glass" finish. You can clearly see it in this pic http://www.targeta.co.uk/images/133_4163w8.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I've read a combination of being in the sea air a lot, air pollution, and being out in the sun. Air pollution is one the the biggest reasons. All of the factors mentioned are a factor but the biggest is pollution. When we had Hornets stationed in Germany they were filthy from daily flying in the Rhein valley crud. We always repainted them on return to Canada. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Depends on how you define air pollution. Industrial air pollution outwith the urban centers of Greece isn't a problem, however naturally forming air pollution is. "High concentrations of tropospheric ozone and its precursors (e.g. NOx and NMVOC) have shown to adversely affect the human health and vegetation. In the past, deposition of acidifying substances had damaged ecosystems, historical buildings and materials (corrosion). Excessive input of nutrients from atmospheric deposition leads to eutrophication in freshwaters. Acidifying pollutants also contribute to the formation of particulate matter, which cause human respiratory diseases." The above was taken from an European Envoiroment Agency publication. Which results in "certain paints may be weakened or damaged by exposure to ozone" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ReccePhreak Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 No, THIS is how an F-16 should look: Just before it's blown out of the sky! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stratospheremodels Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) At least the canopy is clean on this one: http://www.bagram.afcent.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090728-F-8155K-121.JPG Jari Are the fuel tanks leaking or is that some fuel that dripped out of the boom after disconnect ? I had not seen a pic like that since the days of the SR-71. And... F-16 flying targets.... ??!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO........!!! They can't do that ! It`s too beautiful an aircraft to do that ! Gimme one if you no longer want it (!). (I always felt it was such a pity they transformed the magnificient F-106s into flying targets.... Edited May 22, 2014 by Stratospheremodels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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