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Rotorman Posted June 29, 2014 Author Share Posted June 29, 2014 The severe plastic warp is fixed. It took a lot of pulling, pushing and the help of fast acting super glue. It now fits like a glove. The inside windows dont align with the outside frame...easy fix. Oliver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kike Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Is this gonna be a grey-ish blue helo or another scheme? so far is awesome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Yes 2 tone camo grey-ish/blue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
norbert Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 out of topic, there was some american P-61 ground crew in the pacific wearing Shark 64 (alias rotorman) stencil on his vest scroll down My link Norbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks for the in progress photos, much appreciated. I have this kit in my stash and I was very afraid of starting it as was so big but your pictures make it look a little easier. My plan is for an IAF scheme since I love camo. We will see how that goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Great another super frelon in the making. IAF super frelons have different landing gears if i recall right!! The seat brackets are a little tricky to assemble btw. Please post photos. Oliver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
infofrog Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Looks fantastic, Oliver Rick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Great another super frelon in the making. IAF super frelons have different landing gears if i recall right!! The seat brackets are a little tricky to assemble btw. Please post photos. Oliver From the pictures I have, it looked like the IAF simply removed the covering from the landing gear struts so the gear itself is exposed. At least that is what I can gather from the photos. Maybe I should have a closer look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 From the pictures I have, it looked like the IAF simply removed the covering from the landing gear struts so the gear itself is exposed. At least that is what I can gather from the photos. Maybe I should have a closer look. The two large oval shaped flotation devices on each side of the fuselage are not present on AIF Super Frelons....at least on the photos I have. Oliver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) The two large oval shaped flotation devices on each side of the fuselage are not present on AIF Super Frelons....at least on the photos I have. Oliver Hi Oliver Must be the same photos. I also have a walk around posted by someone from Israel of one in the museum. It is overall one colour and the flotation sponsons are missing as you said. That is what I meant in my post. However, I think I will build it with them installed as to try and scratch all that stuff will be a pain and if I have any hope of finishing it, I think I should leave well enough alone. Also, I figure that they received them like that and after using them they removed the flotation gear. I like that story :) Edited July 3, 2014 by skyhawk174 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RCAFFAN Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Chris, check pictures if you do an Israeli machine as they changed engines to American made turbines at some point (don't have refs at hand) so that only early machines before the change can be done OOB. Later there was just one big exhaust at each engine, not the two as in the kit. Doesn't look like a hard conversion but worth noting. I know the Isradecal 1/72 sheet discusses this but not sure about decals for the big kit. Cheers Bruce P.S. there are some early shots with the floats so you should look at early IAF usage. Edited July 3, 2014 by RCAFFAN Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) At least a couple IAF Frelons still had the floats on them. It looks like these have the new engines w/single exhaust outlets as well. Edited July 3, 2014 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Thanks for those shots. To be honest I am not even sure if they ever did paint them in their early 3 tone scheme. I have a book printed in Israel on the IAF so I think I will start there. Big book and it even starts in the back like a Japanese publication. Then I will do the Google thing. Edited July 3, 2014 by skyhawk174 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
norbert Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 yes, there are some black and white pictures that show the Super-frelon with 3 tones camo, and original turbine outlets like on the kit. the orignal camo in 1966 was 2 tones light brown and dark green over light blue around 1972, a 3 tone camos was applied sand green & brown then there was sometime this turbine change, with single turbine exhaust. In this configuration, there was the 3 tones camo and the averall sand camo some of the helicopters had the flottation, others not from what I know, some of the major war achievements of israelis Super-Frelon were commando actions agains Egyptians bases, and an important sea salvage after some israelis ships were sunk in a sea battle, I think it was also against Egypt. For me, the main change to do on the kit for an Israeli Super-Frelon is to install the sand filters on the roof, the kit having anyway a lot of work to do, but for a real great achievement. It's a lng time I'm looking for detail pictures on these filters, but could not find good pictures. If anyone has contacts at the Hazerim museum ?... Norbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 That goes to show u, u can always count on this site and its members to get the right info. Oliver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk174 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) For me, the main change to do on the kit for an Israeli Super-Frelon is to install the sand filters on the roof, the kit having anyway a lot of work to do, but for a real great achievement. It's a lng time I'm looking for detail pictures on these filters, but could not find good pictures. If anyone has contacts at the Hazerim museum ?... Norbert Hi Norbert Yeah I did see those sand filters and thought that that would be a really big project. Not sure if I am willing or make that able to fabricate those. Hey maybe I can say mine is the delivery scheme so no filters? Edited July 3, 2014 by skyhawk174 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
norbert Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Hi Norbert Yeah I did see those sand filters and thought that that would be a really big project. Not sure if I am willing or make that able to fabricate those. Hey maybe I can say mine is the delivery scheme so no filters? Hi Chris I'm sorry, have a picture of the first one arriving in Israel, and it has the filters. Same kind of filters on Irakies and lybians from what I can see, filter covers are a kind of half cylinder that connects to the intakes, should not be so hard to do, but I have no idea how it works between the 2 sides, and on the back turbine. Norbert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
norbert Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 No I'm mistaken, they are not same, 2 flat pannels on top of each side, in a reversed V arrangement. Norbrt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 Starting on the padding the cargo area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Rotorman Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Hi I ended up pulling off the two halves apart, the padding inside did not align properly for my taste. In order to get it right i needed to build a frame inside. Heres how it looks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony in NZ Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 There is nothing like not being happy with something, every time you look at it, all it does is bug you. Looking forward to seeing how this comes out with the framework. Cheers Anthony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 Thanks anthony.. Trying to decide what to use for the inside. I made 2 different variations of the padding:one with soft aluminium foil and one with thin styrene...cant decide on the one to use...aaargh!!! Oliver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Ok so i went with thin styrene. This took about 4 hours to do...measure,trim and cut again to make it right. I will be adding small details as well inside...i know we will never see it. I will start on other sife next then finish with roof. Oliver Edited July 13, 2014 by Rotorman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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