Sebastijan Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 This part is designed the same way as with their Su-7 kits - and I can say from personal experience it is a clever and well fitting solution! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teeradej Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Got mine yesterday from Modelsua, really impressive! Just curious, did this variant participate in any combat in the past? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) If I'm not mistaken, they were used in early days of Afghanistan war, before replaced by M3 and M4 variants. EDIT: According to my sources, 217th PIAB was the first air strike unit based in Afghanistan, starting ops in March 1980 and initially equipped with Su-17s and Su-17Ms. Edited February 5, 2015 by Sebastijan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kellyF15 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Things like this are making me think HARD about switching to 1/72 to build a Soviet collection.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teeradej Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, they were used in early days of Afghanistan war, before replaced by M3 and M4 variants. EDIT: According to my sources, 217th PIAB was the first air strike unit based in Afghanistan, starting ops in March 1980 and initially equipped with Su-17s and Su-17Ms. Thanks a lot! Hope Modelsvit would release M2, M3 and M4 later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Hope Modelsvit would release M2, M3 and M4 later. So do I ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'll be waiting with you, guys! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoops Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I have a feeling that a lot of the modelers are looking forward to the M2,3,4 and they may be waiting for marketing reasons. I will be picking one up for sure, but Sebastijan's build has ben seriously looking at picking up an earlier model kit as well. Cheers, Hoops Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I would love to see them release original Su-17 as well - it looked so brutal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I get the Ukrainian magazine Aviatsiya i Vremya (Aviation & Time) - and each issue has a 'monograph' featuring a particular aircraft - complete with what look to be accurate drawings of the type. I have noticed that about a year after the monograph is published, a kit will appear of the same type - usually kitted by Amodel - and latterly - Modelsvit. Guess what's in the latest (6/2014) issue??? The Su-17 - with drawings for the S-32/Su-17/M2/M3/M3R/M4/UM3. You can usually download the AiV drawings from here (they end in 'aiv') - although these particular drawings aren't scanned and posted yet - no doubt they will be soon ?? Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I get the Ukrainian magazine Aviatsiya i Vremya (Aviation & Time) - and each issue has a 'monograph' featuring a particular aircraft - complete with what look to be accurate drawings of the type. I have noticed that about a year after the monograph is published, a kit will appear of the same type - usually kitted by Amodel - and latterly - Modelsvit. Guess what's in the latest (6/2014) issue??? The Su-17 - with drawings for the S-32/Su-17/M2/M3/M3R/M4/UM3. You can usually download the AiV drawings from here (they end in 'aiv') - although these particular drawings aren't scanned and posted yet - no doubt they will be soon ?? Ken S-32? This one? http://www.redstar.gr/Foto_red/Eng/X_Planes/S_32.html It is possible to have a copy of it,please?I have two Berkuts sitting in my stash and I don't know what to do with one of them ^^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Sorry Mizar - not the FSW S-37 prototype, but the series production version of the Su-17. After the protoype swing-wing S-221, Sukhoi's in-house number for the production Su-17 series was S-32 - followed by the S-32M, S-32MK, S-32M2 etc. In fact all the variants of the Su-17/22 until the Su-17M were S-32's - after which they switched to S-52 and then S-54. The confusion arises because Sukhoi re-used the S-32 number early on in the FSW demonstrator development - then switched to S-37. When the S-37 designation then started to get confused for the Su-37 Flanker, they switched to Su-47 Strictly speaking this was also wrong - because aircraft should only receive the MILITARY designation of Su-XX when they enter Air Force service. Sukhoi use the in-house code of S-XX for swept wing designs and T-XX for delta and straight-wing designs. Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mizar Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Sorry Mizar - not the FSW S-37 prototype, but the series production version of the Su-17. After the protoype swing-wing S-221, Sukhoi's in-house number for the production Su-17 series was S-32 - followed by the S-32M, S-32MK, S-32M2 etc. In fact all the variants of the Su-17/22 until the Su-17M were S-32's - after which they switched to S-52 and then S-54. The confusion arises because Sukhoi re-used the S-32 number early on in the FSW demonstrator development - then switched to S-37. When the S-37 designation then started to get confused for the Su-37 Flanker, they switched to Su-47 :woot.gif:/> Strictly speaking this was also wrong - because aircraft should only receive the MILITARY designation of Su-XX when they enter Air Force service. Sukhoi use the in-house code of S-XX for swept wing designs and T-XX for delta and straight-wing designs. Ken I see,thanks for the explanation...I do wonder how Namco modelled their ingame S-32 as I can't find anything of it other than ten or so pictures :-\ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 If found this website - if it is any good ?? IIRC, there was a model of the FSW S-32 on the desk at a press conference given by Mikhail Pogosyan. The model S-32 later morphed into the real S-37/Su-47 Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChippyWho Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I would love to see them release original Su-17 as well - it looked so brutal. I get the Ukrainian magazine Aviatsiya i Vremya (Aviation & Time) - and each issue has a 'monograph' featuring a particular aircraft - complete with what look to be accurate drawings of the type. I have noticed that about a year after the monograph is published, a kit will appear of the same type - usually kitted by Amodel - and latterly - Modelsvit. Guess what's in the latest (6/2014) issue??? The Su-17 - with drawings for the S-32/Su-17/M2/M3/M3R/M4/UM3. You can usually download the AiV drawings from here (they end in 'aiv') - although these particular drawings aren't scanned and posted yet - no doubt they will be soon ?? Ken A 'pocket' guide on the Sukhoi website is quite helpful also; the first three aircraft in the gallery appear to represent the M/M2 which really ought to be kitted, IMO. Maybe there weren't too many in operation? Still a handsome beast though. Would this type have been designated 'Su-20' for non-Russian users? There appear to be some photos and profiles in a review of Polish Wings 9 by Dariusz Karnas (Stratus). To be truthful, I'm having a bit of a fight establishing the family tree with any certainty... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris the cabbie Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I get the Ukrainian magazine Aviatsiya i Vremya (Aviation & Time) - and each issue has a 'monograph' featuring a particular aircraft - complete with what look to be accurate drawings of the type. I have noticed that about a year after the monograph is published, a kit will appear of the same type - usually kitted by Amodel - and latterly - Modelsvit. Guess what's in the latest (6/2014) issue??? The Su-17 - with drawings for the S-32/Su-17/M2/M3/M3R/M4/UM3. You can usually download the AiV drawings from here (they end in 'aiv') - although these particular drawings aren't scanned and posted yet - no doubt they will be soon ?? Ken Flankerman, I have tried to download those drawings in the past but many (nearly all) seem to be corrupted. All I get is some odd text and no images for the plans. Any suggestions? Regards, Chris the cabbie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 I have tried to download those drawings in the past but many (nearly all) seem to be corrupted. All I get is some odd text and no images for the plans. Any suggestions? Never had any problem downloading. Perhaps it's opening the files that's the problem. That could be because the file names are in Cyrillic, not in Latin. If so, rename the files or installed Russian language support. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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