randypandy831 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 what orange would you recommend for the tip tanks on a luftwaffe f-104? was the under surface of the luftwaffe f-104 really a dull/white aluminum then rather an actually gray? thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VG 33 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Hi Underside RAL 9006 White aluminium (Xtracolor X252) and tanks RAL 2005 Leuchtorange (X253). I have these paints but I am not sure of the current availability. Patrick Edited August 5, 2014 by VG 33 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric2020 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 From what I have read and seen the underside of the German F-104 was grey but!! It faded very fast that it did turn into shades of aluminum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The orange also weathered extremely fast, so you can apply this color full strength or cut it with flat white for a faded, blotchy look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The correct colour of the under surfaces is as mentioned in the first reply RAL9006 Weissaluminium. Over time the surface dulled down and took on a light Grey appearance. Xtracolor have it misquoted as RAL9001. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 From what I have read and seen the underside of the German F-104 was grey but!! It faded very fast that it did turn into shades of aluminum. I'm trying to figure out how grey paint would turn into aluminum... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 alchemy.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floggerman Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 RAL 9006 is a light grey color, filled with fine aluminium particles. Brand new it looks similar to anodized aluminium. If the bonding is not sufficient, the particles can be wiped away - the remaining is just grey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 And in 1/32 scale, those aluminum flakes would be approximately (as close as I could measure them) 0.0000000000000000000000000348" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
randypandy831 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 i can acquire model master and tamiya paints. what would be a close match for ral2005? and another question. whats that beige/skin color on the fuselage right before the rear canopy? thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 i can acquire model master and tamiya paints. what would be a close match for ral2005? and another question. whats that beige/skin color on the fuselage right before the rear canopy? thanks! 1. Approximately FS 28915. Your basic fluorescent orange. 2. It's fiberglass. It's fiberglass colored. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JayBee Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) RAL 9006 is a light grey color, filled with fine aluminium particles. Sorry, but that is simply wrong. 1000 grams of RAL 9006 contains 950 grams of silver paint, 6,4 grams of white, 8,6 grams of black and 50 grams of (transparent) additive. Edited August 7, 2014 by JayBee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floggerman Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Sorry, but that is simply wrong. 1000 grams of RAL 9006 contains 950 grams of silver paint, 6,4 grams of white, 8,6 grams of black and 50 grams of (transparent) additive. White + black = Grey + silver (i.e. aluminium particles)- what's wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Silver paint is silver because it contains ground aluminum powder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeepingBear Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) From what I have read and seen the underside of the German F-104 was grey but!! It faded very fast that it did turn into shades of aluminum. I'm trying to figure out how grey paint would turn into aluminum... You have to use light irony grey paint and mix things up thoroughly... RAL 9006: White aluminium paint, ageing and dulling into dirty light grey. Furthermore shades of grey were morally utterly unacceptable during the 70es. Cheers Ian Edited August 8, 2014 by PeepingBear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeepingBear Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 The orange also weathered extremely fast, so you can apply this color full strength or cut it with flat white for a faded, blotchy look. Weathered DayGlo Orange changes into a wild cloudy variety of full colour orange - yellow - off white. I would rather not mix the orange for an overall lighter tint but spray an irregular pattern of thinned yellow or white over the uncut DayGlo. Naturally the weathering is strongest on sun exposed surfaces. Photos on the WWW help getting a feeling for the realy look. HTH Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VG 33 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Here is my T-33 wher I airbrushed white, tellow and finally day-glow to get some weathered effect. Patrick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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